Posted on 09/21/2009 5:37:18 PM PDT by rxsid
Pending Litigation: Hawaii Confirms That Obama’s Vital Records Have Been Amended.
I will be assisting one of my readers in filing litigation in Hawaii state circuit court pursuant to her ongoing request for public information denied by Hawaii officials. (Readers of my blog will recognize her as MissTickly aka TerriK.)Correspondence sent to TerriK by Hawaii officials indicates that President Obama’s vital records have been amended and official records pertaining thereto are maintained by the state of Hawaii.
I will issue a full statement and press release on behalf of TerriK via this blog in the days ahead. This statement will include a complete history of correspondence between TerriK and Hawaii state officials in the Office of Information Practices (OIP) and the Department of Health (DoH).
[snip]STANDING
TerriK has standing to pursue this action under the statute. The UIPA manual states:
“Any person” may make a request for government records under part II, the Freedom of Information section of the UIPA. “Person” is defined broadly to include an individual, government agencies, partnerships and any other legal entities.
Under part II, a government agency generally may not limit access to public records based on who the requester is or the proposed use of the record.
This should be interesting. Prayers for her success.
I absolutely can say that because you don’t know the definition. All you know at this point is that he will have to be a US citizen. You have no idea how the court would rule or what law would be passed by Congress.
You can have legal discussions all you want about what the founding fathers INTENDED...but at this point...there is no definitive definition...so yes, it is POSSIBLE that he could be an NBC if born in Kenya and she wasn’t married since that would bestow US citizenship.
The argument based on his dad’s citizenship is different than BO’s citizenship. Donofrio is trying to argue BO’s British citizenship.
I feel with great certainty that a court in the 21st century is going to take into account the fact that a woman could get knocked up by a foreigner and have that foreigner abandon her and not penalize the child if born in the US - whether they would differentiate between whether the alien married her or not is another thing.
As for claims about what is and is not an NBC, no one here knows other than the strictest interpretation. In the 21st century, there is a great possibility they will include situations that are not the strictest interpretation.
The British Nationality Act DOES NOT make him a British citizen. Can you just go read all the law on the matter instead of listening to Donofrio.
Go find the loophole that will make him a British Citizen instead of ignoring the applicable law.
Marriage was VOID AB INITIO
Rolling Stone brought up something that might be used but I think it would be shot down because it is part of the law that talks about subsequent marriage to legitimate a bastard and there was no subsequent marriage UNLESS..there was one in Kenya. Then that part of the law would kick and you would have to analyze it.
Go find a loophole.
I don’t think there was a marriage in Hawaii and Obama is covering his butt with the claim of...I was too scared to find out the truth...
If you start with the idea of no marriage in Hawaii then you look to why there was a divorce. She either got married somewhere else - like Kenya - or she lied for some reason .
If you accept the possibility that her family was working with the spooks - be it Russia, US or another country.. it could be they are the ones that told her to do it because she had been telling everyone there was a marriage.
What we do know is his family history is a bunch of lies and coverups.
The reason for the claim of Maui could be she didn’t want a record that she had been to Kenya.
WOW!
Whats your point? It would still be a matter to take to Trial in UK and THAT would force discovery. I don’t care if Stanley married a goat, or if Obama Sr. was a citizen of Mars. The point is to get it into court. The only person who could push that issue and legally invalidate the marriage between Barry’s parents would be Barry himself. No one else has any standing to do so.
Somehow I don’t see Barry doing that. I don’t see him disavowing his black African heritage in that or any other way. He can’t. It would be politically disastrous. He would lose the Black community here.
So while you might be technically correct or not, only a UK Court could decide that matter, and I don’t see Barry or anyone else doing that. Until it goes that far, your point is more or less irrelevant. We have to deal with what we know about two dead people and a pathological liar in the White House with a lot of unconstitutional power.
I don’t know what that texas quote is about but it isn’t from me.
Donfrio is making the argument that BO’s citizenship DOES MATTER when determining the NBC status.
You can’t say that it won’t matter because YOU DONT KNOW.
So using the argument he is trying to make, he needs to get the law straight in his head that Obama was very likely not a UK citizen...and go find the loophole that would make him one instead of just ignoring the law.
And your point is what???????
Did you lie on the marriage application and say you were never married like Obama would have had to do ???
Aporn!
ROTFLMAO
Oh now that is PRICELESS!
There needs to be an acronym to go with that!
The marriage was not in the UK. The legality of the marriage is based on US law. It was not a valid contract. Hawaii did not recognize Polygamy.
A marriage that was Void Ab Initio can be attacked collaterally after all parties are dead AND NOT JUST BY OBAMA. One reason that it can be attacked collaterally after all parties are dead is because a marriage effects inheritance law. You can bet he would attack it if his Presidency hung in the balance .
The only way the issue gets ajudicated in the UK is if Obama wanted to try to claim his UK citizenship....otherwise it is up to US court system to determine if the marriage was valid.
It wasn’t. There is a law in Hawaii that treats illegitimate children of a void marriage as legitimate BUT UK law that references that issues is one that concerns SUBSEQUENT marriage and Sr would have had to be domiciled in the US.
A man listed as a father does not mean that the birth was legitimate here in the US. You can be married and list a totally different man as the father.
It still requires DISCOVERY. You are missing the trees for the Forrest.
Who cares WHY it gets into court?! Who cares which court?
Get it into a court and force discovery!
Because Donofrio better have a good excuse when the opposing side blows him out of the water on this before you even get to discovery.
Do you even know anything about the case developing in Hawaii?? Apparently not. I know from Terry what she was thinking and why. and she is right on. It may even go further than just Birth records. The point is, Because Hawaii State officials broke St. Law, Terry has standing now.
It will be Terry vs. the State of Hawaii. They broke their own UIPA laws. That much is obvious. What’s interesting is that they didn’t have to, it would have been obvious to release a document already released, like the COLB we have already seen. But Hawaiian officials got told to release NOTHING. The State has to give reasons as to why they refuse records, and they refuse to give reasons. That is against Hawaiian law, and what’s interesting is that they KNOW that.
And who cares if he gets blown out of the water. You think that its supposed to be easy or something? It isn’t as if there aren’t people fighting NOT to release records. Somtimes you have to change tactics and venues until you can find something that works. That is nothing but true in this case.
Now, lets get back to the important issue.
IT’S THE DISCOVERY STUPID! - To misuse a Corporal Cueball quote. Discovery is what matters. We can’t give up until we get it.
Yeah, and how has that discovery worked so far in every case...NONE....
The case in Hawaii is not about Obama’s birth...it is a far different case. How hard is it for you to understand that you don’t get to discovery in every case...and Donofrio has spent MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS ignoring the basic law that counters his argument...instead ..apparently he claims what Obama said in public about his British citizenship is what matters..not whether he actually had British citizenship.
Maybe he will get somewhere in Hawaii if he doesn’t screw it up but it won’t be because Obama was born a British Citizen.
I don’t think either Leo or anyone else is even slightly concerned about it at this point my dear. The point is to get the records. NOTHING is known, you are neither right nor wrong until those records are forced. The cat is both alive and dead... Schrodinger’s that is.
Thats the point, getting the records.
Now, you seem to just be saying that it’s impossible give up. If you really believe that, why not shut up and write it off and laugh? No instead you just instigate useless argument with absolutely no point what so ever.
If you know some other avenue that is RIGHT then by all means spill the beans! Otherwise you are just another person who believes everyone is wrong, and yet has nothing to suggest and isn’t doing a damn thing other than bitch about people who at least are TRYING to do something about it. As far as I can tell all you are doing is saying “you don’t know what you are doing or saying” with out adding a single bit of usable or actionable thought about it.
In other words, if you don’t have anything to add to add to the discussion in terms of ASSISTING The efforts, then sit down and shut up. Some battles are worth being fought, even if they are losing battles. Sometimes its the FIGHT that matters.
How about being FACTUALLY correct instead of making up the law. I stand for looking for the truth no matter which way it lays..not just making stuff up to fit an agenda.
In 1980, when Stanley Ann filed her divorce pleading in Hawaii, she listed Barry as one of two children Lolo was still financially responsible for. If Barak Obama had re-adopted Barry at age ten, that child would no longer be Lolo's responsibility and by making such a claim Stanley would have opened herself up complete failure in her pleadings had Lolo even raised the issue in response.
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