Let's prove Obama Was Born In Hawaii So we Can Move Onto His British Birth

NaturalBornCitizen Blog ^ | 09/21/2009 | Leo Donofrio

[BuckeyeTexan]

Let this post be fair warning… Leo Donofrio is now interested in the birth certificate… so that we can finally prove Obama was born in Hawaii and stop the never ending circus surrounding BIGFOOT – an official long form birth certificate for President Obama.

The nation faces a crucial legal question:

How can a person who admits to having been born a British citizen – governed at birth by British law – be a natural born citizen of the United States?

This is a very serious legal question. Obama's father was never a US citizen and was never permanently domiciled in the US. The leading Supreme Court decision in Wong Kim Ark indicates that the native born son of an alien is not natural born. There is no conspiracy theory attached to this question. Let's state it another way:

Can a person who is at birth a dual citizen be considered a natural born citizen for purposes of meeting the Constitution’s requirements to be POTUS?

That is in no way a conspiracy theory. The US State department web site - now run by Obama – tells us that dual citizens owe allegiance to both nations and that while on the soil of the foreign nation that nation has a greater claim to the person than the US. It is certainly not trivial for US citizens to ask whether dual citizenship at birth means a person is not a “natural born citizen” of the US.

But as long as the never ending search for Bigfoot continues to obscure the real legal question, the true issue here will not only be attached to the conspiracy theory, it will be ridiculed as well.

Because of the conundrum, this blog will now also be concerned with an investigation into the vital records of President Obama as well as an intense focus upon the activities of the Hawaii Department of Health and the Hawaii Office of Information Practices. I hope to one day put these officials under oath and cross-examine them thoroughly.

I have always believed that Obama was born in Hawaii and I expect this investigation will reveal that he was. Upon proving that he was born in Hawaii, we may uncover details which indicate that Obama and Hawaii government officials purposely used the birth certificate issue to distract the nation from his British birth problems. If a smokescreen can be made clear, the nation will better comprehend the Constitutional blasphemy inherent in the 2008 POTUS election and the current White House resident.

Should our investigation prove that he wasn’t born in Hawaii, I will be very surprised, but I am certainly open to that conclusion.

I have written this post as a preview to some very interesting research – documents and letters issued by the State of Hawaii – which have not been made public yet. I will be making those public very soon as they are the product of researchers I am working with. Stay tuned. It’s going to get interesting.

[Lower55]

“Funny is people with the answer in hand looking for any possible solution that derives the answer they want.
Birtherism is an answer in search of an explanation, thus we have so many conflicting explanations for why 0bama couldn’t possibly be qualified.

a) not born in Hawaii
b) born to one noncitizen parent
c) dual citizenship with England
d) adoption and possible Indonesian citizenship. “

What does all of this mean?
What part of this makes Obama a NBC? If his dad was not a citizen at Obama’s birth, then he is not a NBC. Case closed AFAIAC.

[editor-surveyor]

"Wong leaves no doubt that a person born in the US is a "natural born" citizen."

That of course defies logic, in that if that were so, then there was no cause for the term "natural born" to have been used by Madison in the requirements to be president. He could merely have said citizen. Also it is is disagreement with the letters exchanced between Madison and Jay wherein thay specifically plucked the term "natural born citizen" from the "Law of Nations." (we of course know how much you hate the Federalist Papers, but they cannot be denied in interpretation of Madison's document)

[mlo]

"I have. You are wrong. The posts don’t apply. They’re tortured."

Again with the bald assertions. You are being absurd.

[mlo]

"Don’t give the dissembling creeps any respect..."

Look in the mirror.

[mlo]

"I’m sorry. What part of the Constitution was this from?"

I'm sorry. What part of the Constitution is your citizen parents requirement from?

[mlo]

"That of course defies logic, in that if that were so, then there was no cause for the term "natural born" to have been used by Madison in the requirements to be president. He could merely have said citizen."

You do understand that some citizens are not citizens at birth, right? There is this thing called "naturalization", where citizenship is granted to immigrants and such.

So use requiring a president be a "natural born citizen" means that he can't be a naturalized one. Did that really never occur to you?

[MHGinTN]

So you admit you know you are trying to dissemble. Thanks, I already knew that about you from your previous hundreds of posts. Here's a little game for you:

Place the point of a len or pencil on a sheet of paper; make two circles separated by perhaps three inches; labe the circle on the left 'by birth' and the circle on the right 'by statute' ... those are the two basic menas of having citizenship.
In the circle on the left you can label subset circles with 'by the citizenship of the parnets', by 'being born on American soil', by 'both born on American soil and American citizen parents', by 'one parent being an American citizen'
Are you smart enough to cite more than one 'by statute' sub-vategory for the circle on the right? If not, you won't understand the birther issue because you have a blockage of the truth in your twisted mindset.
There is only one position in the Federal Government which requires 'by parents' citizenship and by birth on American soil' ... have a nice evening, obamanoid.

[editor-surveyor]

Read the Federalist papers wherein Madison and Jay discuss this very issue, and present the definition in plain English.

Damn you’re thick headed!

[allmendream]

You have ‘ ‘ marks around ‘by parent's citizenship and by birth on American soil’; is that from somewhere or did you just make that up?

It certainly isn't in the Constitution.

[lonewacko_dot_com]

Also, I have about 90 posts all about the cert issue here:

http://24ahead.com/s/obama-citizenship

The summary at the beginning is a bit out of date, as explained in the note at the top. However, below there are the posts that show who’s lied about the basic facts of this issue and containing a discussion of what is actually known.

I first posted about this issue in June of last year from the perspective of showing how an MSM reporter was lying about the basic facts of what we know. That same article was later featured as one of the “proofs” that BHO was born in HI.

If at any time during the past year+ I could have gotten any help we could have discredited several MSM hacks and forced them and others to offer better coverage. Instead, people chase after obviously faked Kenyan certificates.

[Sibre Fan]

Ah yes, the "Smoke" article, that lays out four possible ways to get a HI Certification in 1961:
BC1 - Born in a hospital or attended by doctor or midwife;
BC2 – Unattended birth, no hospital, doctor or nurse midwife;
BC3 – Delayed Certificate less than one year;
BC4 – Certificate of Hawaiian Birth.

The article that concludes that
"The fact that Obama refuses to release the vault birth certificate that would instantly clear up this matter almost certainly indicates that the vault birth certificate is probably a BC2 or possibly a BC3..."

then, a few lines later, declares that the COLB may

"almost certainly [be] a BC3 or even a BC4..."

BC2 – Unattended birth, no hospital, doctor or nurse midwife.
The article doesn't really explain why the COLB is "probably" based on a BC2, and also doesn't address the fact that according to CDC statistics, there were 17,616 births in Hawaii, of which only 100 were "unattended" births. So, even though the chances of any Hawaiian birth falling within the "BC2" category was 0.00568%, the article concludes that Obama's BC "probably" was one of these types of BCs.

BC3 – Delayed Certificate less than one year.
This "almost certain" option is based on H.R.L. § 57-19 which provides:
Procedure concerning delayed and altered certificates.
(a) Certificates accepted subsequent to 30 days after the time prescribed filing, and certificates which have been altered after being filed with the registrar general, shall contain the date of the delayed filing and the date of the alteration, and be marked distinctly “delayed” or “altered.”

Of course, we know that whatever certificate or certification (even if "fraudulent") that was filed was filed within days of Obama's birth, because the Health Bureau reported it to local papers. Therefore, the only "almost certain" (or certain) thing is that a "BC3" could not possibly be the type of certificate or certification filed by whomever on behalf of Obama.


BC4 – Certificate of Hawaiian Birth.
This is the other type that the article contends the COLB "almost certainly" is. According to the article, "If a child is born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year...."

Again, we know that something, fraudulent or not, was filed with the Hawaii Health Statistics Bureau within days of his birth. Therefore, the only thing certain or almost certain is that "BC4" could not possibly be the type of certificate/certification filed for Obama.

[Lower55]

“I’m sorry. What part of the Constitution is your citizen parents requirement from? “

I’ts what is required to be a NBC.

[etraveler13]

You know, I have answered all your questions so far, by just googleing the answers.
I have been a good sport so far,
It’s time for you to do your own homework...

[etraveler13]

You have lost me on this one????

Where Have I done this???

[etraveler13]

Perhaps this will calm your mind.

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Keyes vs. Lingle ^ | 12/4/2008 | Sandra Ramsey Lines

Posted on Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:52:38 PM by Kevmo

1. I am Sandra Ramsey Lines, With an adddres at... I am a former federal examiner and law enforcement officer. I began training as a forensic document examiner in 1991. I am a Certified Diplomat of Forensic Sciences, a member of the American Society of Questioned Document Examiners, a member of the Southwestern Association of Forensic Document Examiners, and a member of the Questioned Document Subcommittee of the American Society of Testing and Materials. My background and credentials are set forth in Exhibit I attached hereto.

2. I have reviewed the attached affidavit posted on the internet from “Ron Polarik,” [PDF] who has declined to provide his name because of a number of death threats he has received. After my review and based on my years of experience, I can state with certainty that the COLB presented on the internet by the various groups, which include the “Daily Kos,” the Obama Campaign, “Factcheck.org” and others cannot be relied upon as genuine. Mr. Polarik raises issues concerning the COLB that I can affirm. Software such as Adobe Photoshop can produce complete images or alter images that appear to be genuine; therefore, any image offered on the internet cannot be relied upon as being a copy of the authentic document.

3. Upon a cursory inspection of the internet COLB, one aspect of the image that is clearly questionable is the obliteration of the Certificate No. That number is a tracking number that would allow anyone to ask the question, “Does this number refer to the Certification of Live Birth for the child Barack Hussein Obama II?” It would not reveal any further personal information; therefore, there would be no justifiable reason for oliterating it.

4. In my experience as a forensic document examiner, if an original of any document exists, that is the document that must be examined to obtain a definitive finding of genuineness or non-genuineness. In this case, examination of the vault birth certificate for President-Elect Obama would lay this issue to rest once and for all.

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[etraveler13]

There are serious questions as to the Associated Press, Honolulu’s recent statements that Dr. Fukino, the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health stated she has verified Barry Soetoro a/k/a Barack H. Obama was in fact born in Hawaii. If you recall October 31, 2008 and early November 2008, this same paper, AP, Honolulu ran an article stating Dr. Fukino and Hawaii Governmental Officials had in fact verified that Barack H. Obama was born in Hawaii. This is completely false, if you look at Dr. Fukino’s Press Release dated October 31, 2008, no where is it stated Barack H. Obama was born in Hawaii or that any person verified that he was born in Hawaii. Instead, what it stated was Dr. Fukino along with the Hawaiian Registrar had verified Barack H. Obama’s birth certificate was on file according to the laws of Hawaii. At no time prior to AP Honolulu’s July 28, 2009 story, which is questionable, has any Hawaii Official, including Linda Lingle, backed up the claim that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

[etraveler13]

Pending Litigation: Hawaii Confirms That Obama’s Vital Records Have Been Amended. ISSUES Section 92F-12(15) states that the following must be released to the public: (15) Information collected and maintained for the purpose of making information available to the general public; On July 27, 2009 Hawaii Department of Health Director Fukino issued a press release which stated: “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.” TerriK requested all information “collected and maintained” for the purposes of preparing the public statement made by Director Fukino as such information must be released according to the statute. TerriK was interested in knowing how Director Fukino came to the conclusion that the President was a natural born citizen. She was familiar with Section 92F-12(15) which demands that all information collected and maintained for the purposes of making such a public statement be made public. She was denied that information despite the clear wording in the statute. Furthermore, the case law from Hawaii clearly demands production of the records TerriK requested. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2345143/posts

[editor-surveyor]

"Again, we know that something, fraudulent or not, was filed with the Hawaii Health Statistics Bureau within days of his birth"

Actually, "we" don't know anything of the kind. Someone may know that, but they certainly have not provided any proof to that effect. If such a certificate really existed, in all liklihood it would have surfaced by now, either by legal, or illegal means. (an O supporter having access to such would have outed it by some means)

[editor-surveyor]

"It’s almost like the birthers want to appeal to the UN or the Hague."

It appears that it is the Anti-Birthers that seek such nonsense. The birthers hold to the Natural Born Citizen requirement as per the definition that Madison and Jay stated. (as per The Law of Nations)

[Sibre Fan]

I said: "Again, we know that something, fraudulent or not, was filed with the Hawaii Health Statistics Bureau within days of his birth"

ES responded: Actually, "we" don't know anything of the kind. Someone may know that, but they certainly have not provided any proof to that effect.

Ok. What we "know" (or can know by calling the two respective newspapers ourselves - which I did, doing my homework), is that:
1. In 1961, the "Health Statistics Bureau" was responsible for maintaining birth, marriage, and death registrations.
2. In 1961, the only way that the "Health Statistics Bureau" would have had a record of a birth to provide to the local papers was through filing of some form of birth certificate, however "valid" or "invalid" that certificate was.
3. In 1961, as reflected in the two separate birth announcements, both local papers got their birth announcements from the "Health Statistics Bureau."
4. In 1961, neither local paper permitted the publication of birth announcements other than those provided by the "Health Statistics Bureau." (Today, neither local paper permits publication without submission of a BC to verify local birth.)
5. In 1961, within just a few days -- far fewer than 30 -- of Obama's reported birth (whether from the COLB or the "Kenyan BCs"), two local papers reported that birth, based on Health Bureau Statistics.

From that, the only reasonable deduction is that some birth certificate, however valid or invalid, was, in fact, filed with the Hawaii Health Statistics Bureau within days - far less than 30 days - of his birth.