Posted on 08/20/2009 7:25:12 AM PDT by politicalmerc
Excuse the vanity but you guys MUST hear this. As you know if you have read any of my posts, I use to be an attorney. Well, my friendly local police department just made a HUGE MISTAKE and I can assure you they will pay for it. I post it here, not for sympathy but to show just how eroded our rights have become.
You said — Just last semester, we had a guy saw a woman’s head off with a steak knife in the middle of a coffee shop. When the police arrived, he was holding her head. Why? No one really knows.
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Was that posted here on Free Republic? I would be curious about that one, to see what happened in the meantime, and maybe to follow it up. I mean, sawing someone’s head off sounds like a Muslim thing to me, but who knows..., I guess there are other types of crazies who might do it, too...
What city and what approximate date was it, and I’ll try looking it up... thanks...
Yeehaw! You may have hit the Motherlode!
Okay, I found something on it, in another article about “beheadings” in general...
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So, since last July:
— Tim McLean of Manitoba, Canada, on July 30 was decapitated on a Greyhound bus by Vince Weiguang Li, who probably belongs to the Hui ethnic group, which is a Muslim ethnic group, and who is possibly from China’s Xinjaing Uyghur Autonomous Region, which is largely Muslim. But the mainstream English language media don’t report anything about Li’s background or religion. The public is left to guess whether he is a Muslim or not, and whether he was attending a mosque in the heavily Muslim city of Edmonton during the period prior to the murder.
— Patrick McGee of Manchester, England, on December 15 was beheaded in his front yard or in his living room by an unnamed man who according to an initial story in the Mail police thought was from the Philippines, but in the Mail’s revised article the mention of the suspect’s being Filipino is dropped and he’s described as mentally ill. The Philippines has a Muslim minority and a large Catholic majority. McGee is treated in the media as a cipher, an “elderly pensioner” (he was 63), who was a “nice” man, and beyond that his death is given no meaning. The details of the murder are never given. All that the police say about the suspect is that he is being checked for mental illness and therefore his name can’t be given. There is essentially one real newspaper article on the murder,and then the story disappears. (All VFR entries on this are here.)
— And now Xin Yang at Virginia Tech, Virginia, on January 21, 2009 is beheaded in a graduate student coffee shop by Haiyang Zhu of Ningbo, China which has a famous mosque. Beyond the bare abstract fact that the suspect beheaded the victim, both AP stories deliberately avoid telling what he actually did to her, how he cut her head off, and so on, The experience and reactions of the seven witnesses to the decapitation are not recounted.
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This is the one you were talking about — “And now Xin Yang at Virginia Tech, Virginia, on January 21, 2009 is beheaded in a graduate student coffee shop by Haiyang Zhu of Ningbo, China which has a famous mosque.”
It sounds like this is a Muslim thing, and that’s quite another matter, altogether, it seems. There’s a big problem going on here in this country (and elsewhere, with the infiltration of Muslims into our society and their lack of respect or regard for the laws here (or the Constitution) and them wanting to institute “Sharia Law” instead of using our country’s laws.
This is a bit of a different matter, than the authorities not respecting the rights of citizens, as in the case of this gentlemen who started this thread. It’s a *problem* — to be sure (i.e., the Muslims and Sharia law) but that’s not quite the matter at hand in this thread...
Although I think the issue of Muslims, the mosques and Sharia law need to be addressed — it’s not in the same ballpark as the authorities/law enforcement disregarding citizen’s rights and what citizens should do about that...
Contact the FBI in your area and start a complaint with them for an invasion of your constitutional rights.
I also strongly urge you to immediately contact a civil rights attorney and file against the department and the sergeant in federal court for a violation of your rights.
Your wife must be devastated. She should also file in federal court against them
First step, contact the FBI.
Sue them in both state and federal court, it is not double jeopardy as i am sure you well know.
Marker
Not Muslim. Ethnic Han Chinese. The court case starts soon. That should be interesting.
Cooperation with the police is only mandatory in a very limited sense. The Supreme Court ruled, in Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, that you only have an obligation to identify yourself and to provide supporting documentation for that identification. That's it. Anything else, and you have a Constitutionally guaranteed right to have an attorney present. If you exercise that right, you CANNOT be arrested for obstructing justice.
Incidentally, Dylan wasn't arrested ( a specific legal term with specific legal meaning). But, he was detained in furtherance to establishing his identity bona fides - which is perfectly legal.
If you believe yourself to be the subject of a criminal investigation, even a peripheral subject (to exclude just lending yourself as a witness to an alleged crime), I would never recommend speaking to the police without an attorney present - ever.
If not Muslim, then he’s nuts... but then again, I repeat myself... :-)
I read this one this morning. Seems like a textbook case of out of control cops - so much so it sounds fishy.
Obviously, your definition of police state and mine differ.
Think Burma (Myanmar), where visiting relatives cannot stay with you without police permission. Or Bulgaria under the Soviets, where you could send your six year old to violin lessons alone at ten at night without fear for their safety, but could not operate a successful business or speak against the state withour fear of reprisal, imprisonment, or execution.
Any form of government involves some loss of freedom for security, the question is how much, or to what degree?
Ask any policeperson the U.S. whether they are legally obligated to protect you, and/or responsible to compensate you for their failure to do so. You are primarily responsible to protect yourself, and have a natural and legal right to do so, though you might be prosecuted for doing so in our increasingly degrading system.
You may have surrendered all your freedoms (I hope you feel secure), but some are still willing and able to resist overzealous government by the various means still available in America.
Jesus said *If they hated me, they will hate you*
You cannot serve both MAN and GOD....
Isn’t that the truth!
Oh that is too good! LOL!
And for anyone still on the fence about police officers... most of them are ex-military guys... they are more loyal to their unit then they are to United States...
So anyone who thinks for a NY minute that the police won't shoot or abuse unarmed civilians when the government has too much power... think again.
For every person decrying the overzealous police, there is another victim of crime asking “Why don’t the police do more to stop crime?” That tug of war is never ending. We don’t live in a vacuum.
Or as one criminal put it “Why don’t the police go after the other criminals?”. On the list of threats to me, the police are WAY down the list.
The indemnification of law enforcement officers against prosecution for acts committed in conjunction with the performance of their duties needs to be removed if it is demonstrated that the actions in question were unlawful. Once subject to civil and criminal action independent of their union and departmental protections the behavior will begin to self correct and the tax payers will not be stuck with the bill.
“On the list of threats to me, the police are WAY down the list.”
Good. Let’s hope, pray, and work so that it remains that way!
IANAL, but I believe such behavior is ALREADY outside a LEO's indemnification. Something about acting "under color of law", when the action is clearly illegal...
If only there were prosecutors who were more loyal to the law than to LEOs.
But it’s not the same everywhere. When my brother lived in California, he said there were 3 major gangs in SoCal: The Bloods, The Crips and the LAPD
Welcome to the Jungle.
I have been following the antics of the po-po in my old hometown and it’s unbelievable. The chief was investigating his officers for criminal behavior. When the city found out, they fired him. No one bothered to check to see if he was right.
Bump! ;-)
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