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Down with the “Birthers”
Cross Action News ^ | 7-29-09 | Jamie Weinstein

Posted on 07/29/2009 8:00:59 AM PDT by Victory111

Conservative commentators, leaders and thinkers have a responsibility to denounce idiocy put forward under the conservative banner. Republicans and conservatives have a real opportunity to take back the country in 2010 and 2012. But they aren’t going to do it by promoting outlandish conspiracies.

(Excerpt) Read more at crossactionnews.com ...


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; conspiracy; gaffney; hillary; obama; obroma
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To: parsifal

1. COLBs in Hawaii can be issued for infants not born on the Islands.

2. The State of Hawaii releases lists of newly issued COLBs to local newspapers.

Therefore, publication of COLB information in a local Hawaiian newspaper is not evidence of having been born on the Islands.


41 posted on 07/29/2009 9:07:43 AM PDT by Hostage
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To: parsifal
Using your same logic, what if Obamacare is passed and really works! What if the Stimulus bill really does turn the economy around! In other words, we had better not criticize or question Obama on anything. We can't take the chance!

Many here are simply asking Obama to adhere to his own policy....transparency.

If Obama releases his original long form with the other documentation, and their is nothing unusual, then yes, I would eat crow. I would also thank the President for practicing what he preaches.

I've learned that you will achieve nothing by continuously being afraid of what your opposition will say about you. Republican candidates with this fear do not win Presidential elections.

42 posted on 07/29/2009 9:07:46 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: Paradox

Does the president have an obligation to prove his qualifications?

Has he done so legally?


43 posted on 07/29/2009 9:08:04 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (Kenya? Kenya? Kenya just show us the birth certificate?)
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To: Victory111

if they won’t take my word that i am not carrying anything harmful and/or won’t do anything harmful during a flight... to the extent of requiring not only my ID but also submitting me to metal detectors and pat down searches....

why should i take a politicians word that he is eligible to assume power?

i’m not asking for dna and psych screenings (although that would be awesome).... i’m just asking for a birth certificate. and this supposedly makes me some nutjob? screw you, shut up, and give us the freaking documentation. it’s the least they can do considering how much money we pay in taxes


44 posted on 07/29/2009 9:10:44 AM PDT by sten
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To: parsifal
Birth announcements posted in the paper do not mean a thing legally. ANYONE could have had them posted well after the fact of birth for any number of reasons:

1) Obama born in Kenya, mother wants to try and "nationalize little obame after the fact by flying to Hawaii and posting something in the paper to try and legitimize him.

2) Obama born in Kenya, mother wants to try and "nationalize little obame after the fact so she calls a friend or relative living in Hawaii and asks them to post something in the paper in order to try and legitimize him. She later flys to Hawaii in order to take up residence AFTER THE FACT of birth... etc.

Like I said, birth announcements posted in a news paper are legally useless for verifying the NATURAL BORN citizen status of anyone. The ONLY thing that will suffice to settle the entire issue is a legal, notarized $10 (TEN DOLLAR!) copy of Obama's ORIGINAL LONG-FORM birth certificate. You know the ONE DOCUMENT Obamessiah has spent over a MILLION dollars (and counting) in legal fees in order to prevent it from ever seeing the light of day! No one does this unless they have something VERY BIG TO HIDE FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!

You want us to sit down, shut up and go away? Then show us a legal, notarized copy of his $10 original long-form birth certificate, that is all you or anyone needs to do. Now isn't that easy? For any normal sane individual with nothing to hide it would be, but NOT for Obamessiah.

45 posted on 07/29/2009 9:10:46 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (tot)
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To: parsifal

correction - live


46 posted on 07/29/2009 9:11:43 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Obama is an illegal alien)
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To: Eagle Eye

How dare you ask such complicated questions of our “dear leader” and his minions?


47 posted on 07/29/2009 9:15:59 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (tot)
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To: parsifal
People will believe what they are predisposed to believing.

I happen to think that the circumstances surrounding Obama's birth certificate and much else about his life's work (sic) is mysterious, at best.

I also think this issue is an enormous waste of time and effort for us, given the fact that we have at present no conservative leadership and our issues are badly muddled (thank you, Juan McPain). The birth certificate issue is not a winning one for conservatives, nor will it ever be. It allows our adversaries to define us in a very bad way, and like it or not: they control the media.

I have another suspicion, too, based in part on my study of radical activist tactics. What if the COLB issue were the result of a disinformation scheme, run from within the White House (Axelrod/Emmanuel)? What if they wished to make it appear as if they were hiding something, in order to lead us on a wild goose chase (i.e. to distract us and make us look foolish) while they ram through unprecedented socialist legislation at will? Is that so hard to imagine, or am I now the one being paranoid?

Just food for thought. Either way, we need to get past this and back to far more pressing matters - finding new leadership, defining our purposes and beliefs, and fighting back against the expansion of government power and the concomitant loss of our individual liberties.

48 posted on 07/29/2009 9:22:42 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.)
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To: bmwcyle

I haven’t been able to find a copy of Maya Obama’s COLB. Is it out there?

parsy.


49 posted on 07/29/2009 9:22:54 AM PDT by parsifal ("Knock and ye shall receive!" (The Bible, somewhere.))
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To: parsifal

Sounds like a win-win for you then.
Since it’s just the “kooky fringe” that is concerned with this issue, everyone else can deal with the “serious issues”.
Have at it, instead of wasting your time on threads like this.


50 posted on 07/29/2009 9:23:28 AM PDT by astyanax (I'm here to spread peace, love and happiness... so get the f*#% out of my way.)
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To: Victory111

Jamie, you ignorant slut.


51 posted on 07/29/2009 9:25:40 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Hostage

It is evidence. Truthfully, if it was entered the way you suggest, it would not be dispositive evidence.

What is the date the birth announcements ran in the newspaper?

parsy.


52 posted on 07/29/2009 9:30:33 AM PDT by parsifal ("Knock and ye shall receive!" (The Bible, somewhere.))
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To: avacado

Well, our little Jamie Weinstein attended Cornell, temple of liberalism in the City Of Evil.

http://www.northstarwriters.com/jamieweinstein.htm


53 posted on 07/29/2009 9:31:05 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (When the going gets tough, the tough go out for ice cream.)
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To: Rational Thought

I’m like you. If I am wrong, I will eat crow. Had to do it a few times in my life.

parsy.


54 posted on 07/29/2009 9:32:53 AM PDT by parsifal ("Knock and ye shall receive!" (The Bible, somewhere.))
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To: parsifal
You may have to do what I did after 30 years in GOP. I became a democrat and thank god there are conservative democrats in Washington or we would probably all be signing up for Obamacare right about now.

So are you saying you are a democrat? And before you start congratulating the Bluedog Democrats you might want to read this. Breaking...Democratic Memo on Healthcare Vote May be False.

55 posted on 07/29/2009 9:33:18 AM PDT by McGruff (former Gov. Palin: I am going to exercise my freedom of speech.)
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To: Jmouse007

Blame my parents...they never taught me to shut up and stay in my place like a good little...boy.


56 posted on 07/29/2009 9:34:16 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (Kenya? Kenya? Kenya just show us the birth certificate?)
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To: andy58-in-nh

For your wild goose chase theory, see my post at 30 above.

parsy.


57 posted on 07/29/2009 9:34:57 AM PDT by parsifal ("Knock and ye shall receive!" (The Bible, somewhere.))
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To: parsifal
"I became a democrat and thank god there are conservative democrats in Washington..."
Name one.
58 posted on 07/29/2009 9:38:04 AM PDT by astyanax (I'm here to spread peace, love and happiness... so get the f*#% out of my way.)
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To: plsjr

But, for all practical purposes, he has provided a COLB. Its just that isn’t enough for a lot of people. He has proven his birth in Hawaii.

Simply raising questions about that document does not equate to proof or evidence. They are simply questions.

He has presented affidavits from Hawaiian officials. That constitutes evidence.

BO has complied with his obligations.

parsy.


59 posted on 07/29/2009 9:38:27 AM PDT by parsifal ("Knock and ye shall receive!" (The Bible, somewhere.))
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To: parsifal
It was reported on Quinn and Rose show.

rose@warroom.com or quinn@warroom.com

60 posted on 07/29/2009 9:48:05 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Obama is an illegal alien)
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