Posted on 04/16/2009 8:36:02 PM PDT by Kartographer
Serious question for Freepers, which undoubtedly will end up getting me place on the DHS watch list, but here goes any way; Are we head toward a civil war between those who wish to continue living under a Free Market/Republic and those who wish to move to a Socialist/Democracy?
This I think is the key to the great divide which is forming between what is essentially becoming the real 'two Americas'. Has that riff between the two grown so far apart that as the Declaration of Independence states:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
As a nation have we pulled that far apart? Is there a hope of reconciliation? Can the great divide beclosed and healed?
I became convinced of this when I saw that even RINO pols were too afraid to even offend ILLEGAL ALIENS!!
These 12-20 million potential ‘rat voters can’t even vote yet, but even their latent power has the RINOS scared and the ‘rats thrilled.
When they are voting ‘rat, it is “game, set, match.”
I see this going one of two ways:
1. If Obama persists in the destruction of all that has been traditionally American, those millions of Americans who don’t want to go there will rise up and resist, hopefully at the polls in 2010 and so decimate the Dems in the House and Senate that he will be a powerless lame duck for the last half of his one and only term. If ACORN does it’s thing again and steals those races, there will be BIG TROUBLE.
2. If the election does turn our way, Obama will get the message and back off his full court press to the fascist/socialist nightmare for which he has set a speedy course. The welfare class to which he made those completely undoable, idiotic promises during the campaign will become angry at anyone they see as the enemy and strike out. Given the sad history of crime in the inner city neighborhoods, that could get very ugly for suburbia.
Which ever way it goes, suggest you get ready for SOMETHING.
As Jerry Seinfeld has said, "Wait ... a ... SECOND!"
When they come "canvassing" your neighborhood, are you signing up?
How are they going to enforce that stuff?
If it comes down to resistance or something like the Warsaw ghettos... what you gonna do?
That's just the simple stuff.
It's quite likely to be an interesting summer . .
I don't think this is strictly true. The trouble is that a large segment of productive society has submitted to the doctrine that they are to blame for the plight of others, and has voted to remedy this perceived plight by massive wealth transfer, even though they don't think of it that way. There's a lot of people that are still in for a shock, I think.
No. It is not only a political issue, but a spiritual and cultural issue.
We can no longer agree on the fundamentals of society, which are deeper than the law.
This cannot be solved politically.
IF Texas secedes to make a stand for a traditional society, its beliefs, mores and the laws that result, I would move there.
These differences are as deep as the question of whether a nation can hold together that is part slave, part free.
I am not sure who said it first but my Father used to say, “Political revolution followed by Social revolution followed by Anarchy and in turn followed by Chaos.” All followed by reconstruction and the cycle begins anew. I am never quite sure which stage we are in.
I have felt the country deeply divided for at least the last ten years, polarized is more appropriate I think. That has grown dramatically in the last few months. This is not profound as it should be apparent.
ZERO has amnesty on his agenda next.
We no longer have the orderly process of indoctrination to becoming an American in our path to citizenship. The traditional foundations of what becoming an American means have been all but destroyed. Not only in the path to citizenship but in our schools. We have pretty much turned into a rabble instead of a collection of similar minds all focused on preserving the hope that the foundations of the nation provides. Instead, we have become the polarized nation of haves and have nots with the have nots inspired to envy and covetness ...in this is the foundation for the destruction of the republic. ZERO and his ilk are all too willing to capitalize on this class envy.
On the current track though these have nots will be deceived because they will become the slaves of the oligarchy, monarchy or dictatorship created by their sin.
If the path ZERO has taken us on is not ended, and soon, at the present pace the political revolution will have taken place without firing a single shot. We on the right believe in our Constitution too much to allow ourselves to believe the system will fail us. If it does fail us we will cling to our guns and religion until the very end.
Each president will be hated by approximately half the country and loved by the other half. Then the next president will be loved by the first half and hated by the other half. Politics, ideology, culture, religion, etc. will continue to divide the country.
The problem is that when you push for the government to use its powers to interfere with peoples’ lives and freedoms in such a way as to bring about a desired result, when you want the government to make decisions in the economy and in peoples’ lives, you automatically make vicious enemies for yourself. And the more state control you push for, the more enemies you will have.
This is why the left became unhinged during the Iraq War, they didn’t like this use of state power. This is why we are angry over the soft fascism/socialism we see today. As long as you have to groups of people that either A) differ enormously in what they want the state to use its powers for or B) differ enormously in the *amount* of power they want the state to have, you will have irreconcilable differences.
The idea used to terrify me, but now I think it wouldn’t be such a bad thing for the states to peaceably go their separate ways IF things continue the way they are going. I’m talking decades from now. Right now we are just seeing the birth pangs of the great divide in this country.
Note to lurking DUers/DHS agents: this isn’t “sedition” or “treason,” two things that the far left know a lot about (practicing), this is simply an objective position, a natural consequence of what I believe the political/cultural/spiritual divide is in this country. If things continue like this, if America continues to be more and more divided, then splitting up could very well be the most preferable of all of our options.
Don't worry about the list. You'll never know they're watching.
Yes, I think we're heading for war that will split the country up. I don't see how people, who want to live free, will continue to carry the load of those who hate them the way the left hates us. The left thinks nothing about forcing us, at the point of a gun, to pay for things only they want. Just because they won the election they think it gives them the right to yoke us like oxen. The very people who rant about the enslavement of their ancestors, are working to enslave their fellow Americans. The biggest problem I see is, how do we keep them on their side of the border?
We have unleashed them on ourselves.
We opened the door and invited them in by our own sins, including the sin of coveteousness.
We can no longer agree on the fundamentals of society, which are deeper than the law.
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Well said. I fear there’s no common ground with those on the left who truly seem to reject everything conservatives stand for. Can the country unite? It doesn’t seem likely, but miracles can happen.
I don’t think so. The forces that led up to our Civil War included strong geographical separation (i.e., slave states and free states), which made secession possible. We do have blue states and red states now, but it seems to me the stronger political separation is between the largely liberal large cities, and smaller towns and rural areas, which tend to be more conservative. In short, I think that geographically we are too mixed for any sort of secession to gain traction.
That said, people are unhappy right now, and we are very polarized politically. If the economy continues to tank and the present administration continues its attack on our Constitution, there may be civil unrest, somewhat like that of the 60’s.
“Congressman Tom McClintock represents California’s 4th Congressional District. His Web site address is www.mcclintock.house.gov.”
Tom is new in Wash. DC. Ran for statewide office in Calif. but of course lost. Now he is in the House of Representatives.
You can see he is an articulate defender of capitalism, which the GOP sorely needs.
He should rise to the top of the group of young, smart advocates for Pres. Ronald Reagan’s economic common sense.
Sadly too few are willing or capable of saying what he says.
He’s on my roster of rising stars.
The left is unwilling to compromise on their agenda: all must pour their resources and talents into the government coffers to be redistributed as they, in their supposedly superior intellect and "caring", see fit. They champion the helpless, hopeless, and the unproductive. They delight in changing the social structure and celebrating that which the vast majority of us find abhorrent. They MUST have us producers in the yoke in order to realize their grandiose schemes.
Many millions of patriotic, productive citizens will NOT allow ourselves to be enslaved by the "collective". I'd rather die than suffer the chains of socialistic slavery.
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! - Patrick Henry (March 23, 1775)
I don't think so.
The left came unhinged because it was an action by the moronic dummy Chimpy McBushitler, who in spite of his great moronosity, managed to steal the 2000 election from the annointed Savior al-Gore.
Remember they had absolutely no problem whatsoever with King William's Great Patriotic War Against Serbia.
I'm watching to see how this will play out. I think those that want the Socialist state won't budge until it hits them personally and hard.
Yes it’s too late and yes we are headed there.
I see BO not as the beginning of something new in our history but the culmination of a trend that began during the Progressive Era, was accelerated under FDR and reached it's apex under LBJ and Goldwater's defeat in 1964.
I view Obama as an American Gorbachev. He , and all his supporters are on the wrong side of History. He is trying to save the Welfare State and Central Banking......both poisons that entered the American blood stream at the beginning of the 20th century.Socialism/Communism/Statism, whatever you want to call it is dying before our eyes
But it may die a violent death....and for that reason sporadic,armed conflict is a possibility....but in the end we will win, just like the slaves of Eastern Europe finally through off their dead weight government.
Reagan was right, hard communism,Soviet style was doomed...what he failed to notice is that soft communism, American style is also doomed.
Anyway, that's how it looks to me this morning.
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