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1 posted on 04/10/2009 9:49:58 AM PDT by American Dream 246
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To: American Dream 246

If we had anyone but a dumbazz in charge, it would have been over by now.


2 posted on 04/10/2009 9:52:04 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to 0bama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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To: American Dream 246
not one Penney for tribute.
4 posted on 04/10/2009 9:56:01 AM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: American Dream 246

Well...

Clinton - Black Hawk Down...
Obama - Hostage-taking by Pirates...


5 posted on 04/10/2009 9:56:07 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: American Dream 246

Hell yes! Dont we have technology to look through a damn lens and thermally be able to tell who has the guns and who doesnt? Have the Seals pop up and place some rounds on target before these paleolithic barabarians know what hits them? And dont these Pirate ships have to go back to port? Take out their ports! Level their mother ships. Mine the ports if you have to and level their hideouts and headquarters. This is sick.


6 posted on 04/10/2009 9:57:03 AM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: American Dream 246

One of the pirates is probably Zer0’s fourth cousin....


7 posted on 04/10/2009 9:58:29 AM PDT by clintonh8r (Librerals are more dangerous to liberty than terrorists.)
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To: American Dream 246

Obama probably told the Navy to stow their sophisticated gear.

Just to keep it fair, mind you.


8 posted on 04/10/2009 9:59:54 AM PDT by Peter W. Kessler (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: American Dream 246

Bring all the maggots out in the open and then fry them.


18 posted on 04/10/2009 10:32:34 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin in 2012!)
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To: American Dream 246
Why has this gone on so long? Why haven't we taken a physical action to resolve it? Why hasn't our Pres__ent addressed the Nation and spoken to this crisis with resolve and solutions?

Leadership


Definition
In its essence, leadership in an organizational role involves...
(1) establishing a clear vision,
(2) sharing (communicating) that vision with others so that they will follow willingly,
(3) providing the information, knowledge, and methods to realize that vision, and
(4) coordinating and balancing the conflicting interests of all members or stakeholders.

A leader comes to the forefront in case of crisis, and is able to think and act in creative ways in difficult situations. Unlike management, leadership flows from the core of a personality and cannot be taught, although it may be learnt rthrough experience and learning may be enhanced through coaching or mentoring.

Obviously, our Pres__ent has none of the aforementioned qualities.
20 posted on 04/10/2009 10:37:22 AM PDT by papasmurf (Guns didn't make America unsafe, Courts and Congress did!)
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To: American Dream 246
All it would have taken was a few well placed shots from a Ma Deuce to discourage the Somalia’s from recapturing the Capatain.
But it seems the warship is under direct orders not to shoot.
BTW I'm sure that ship has a small Marine detachment aboard. There's got to be some proficient marksmen aboard. Those M-14’s are still in use aboard ships.
26 posted on 04/10/2009 11:54:05 AM PDT by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: American Dream 246

UPDATE Homeland Security just sent out a memo specifying that Somali pirates are to be referred to as “seafaring freelance wealth redistributors.” http://twitter.com/jimtreacher/status/1485860666


27 posted on 04/10/2009 12:00:12 PM PDT by anglian
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To: American Dream 246

This is just the beginning of what life is going to be like under Obama.


30 posted on 04/10/2009 12:27:36 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: American Dream 246

Combined Task Force 151 hunts down pirates in the Gulf of Aden
By James Warden, Stars and Stripes
Mideast edition, Sunday, March 29, 2009
The USS Boxer is an impressive ship, purpose-built to show up on the horizon and grab a well-protected beach from a determined enemy. An array of helicopters can spot threats before they ever see the amphibious assault ship. Harrier jets can pound them into the ground. And hovercrafts can carry hundreds of Marines and their armored vehicles to storm the beach.

But the Boxer isn’t facing off against an enemy navy. Instead, it’s looking for small groups of men in far less impressive skiffs who are armed only with a few AKs and perhaps a rocket-propelled grenade or two. These men are pirates, and they’ve cost the shipping industry money out of proportion to their small boats and weak weapons.

The Boxer is the flagship for Combined Task Force 151, a joint effort between the U.S., Danish and Turkish navies to prevent pirates from attacking merchant ships in the Gulf of Aden just off Somalia’s coast.
http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81500


31 posted on 04/10/2009 12:35:00 PM PDT by anglian
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To: NC28203; Tijeras_Slim; Fiji Hill; VA_Gentleman; papasmurf; Cletus.D.Yokel; American Dream 246

Since this started off here — on this thread — this is the latest update and includes a lot more than before, much coming from other posters giving this information...

Here’s a comparison of other Presidential Crises, with American hostage-taking and military/civilians killed (various actions against our civilians and/or actions that we took in response to such crises. It’s a good comparison for what is going on today, as to what has happened in the past with other Presidents...


Presidential Crises - Hostages and/or Killings of Military and Civilians

Nixon — Killed (2), US Diplomats, Black September/Arafat, Sudan
Johnson — Killed (34), USS Liberty, Israel
Johnson — Hostages (82/1 Killed), USS Pueblo, 11 months, North Korea
Johnson — Killed (0), Gulf of Tonkin Incident, N. Vietnamese Torpedo Boats, North Vietnam
Ford — Hostages (21), SS Mayaguez, Khmer Rouge, Cambodia
Ford — Killed (2), Axe Murder Incident (two US Army Soldiers), NK Army, North Korea
Carter — Hostages (52), Tehran Embassy Hostages, 444 days, Iran
Carter — Killed (8), Operation Eagle Claw, C-130, Iran
Reagan — Killed (0/0 foreign; jets shot down), 1981 Gulf of Sidra Incident, US Air Force, Libya
Reagan — Killed (19), Operation Urgent Fury, US Military, Grenada
Reagan — Killed (241), Marine barracks bombing, Islamic Terrorists, Lebanon/Iran
Reagan — Hostages (20), Civilian Hostages, Islamic Terrorists, Lebanon/Iran
Reagan — Killed (5), Civilian/Military Killings, Islamic Terrorists, Lebanon/Iran
Reagan — Killed (6), Zona Rosa Attack, Central America Revolutionary Workers’ Party, El Salvador
Reagan — Killed (3), Berlin Discotheque Bombing, Libyan Intelligence/Gaddafi, West Germany
Reagan — Killed (0/unknown foreign), Operation Attain Document, US Air Force, Libya
Reagan — Killed (2), Operation El Dorado Canyon, USAF, Libya
Reagan — Killed (290/foreign), Iran Air Flight 655/USS Vincennes, US Military, Persian Gulf/Iran
Reagan — Killed (37), USS Stark Missile Attack (FFG-31), Iraq Air Force, Iraq
Reagan — Killed (0/2 foreign), 1989 Gulf of Sidra Incident, US Air Force, Libya
Bush — Killed (24), Operation Just Cause, US Military, Panama
Clinton — Killed (90), Waco Siege/Branch Davidians, US Government, USA
Clinton — Killed (6), 1993 World Trade Center Bombing, Al Qaeda, Afghanistan
Clinton — Killed (168), Oklahoma City Bombing, Domestic/Foreign Terrorists*, USA/Iraq*
Clinton — Killed (19), Black Hawk Down, Islamic Warlords, Somalia
Clinton — Killed (17), USS Cole Bombing (DDG-67), Al Qaeda, port in Yemen
Clinton — Killed (142), TWA Flight 800, Foreign Terrorism [controversial*], Terrorists
Clinton — Killed (19), Khobar Towers Bombing, Hizballah Al-Hijaz [terrorists], Saudi Arabia
Clinton — Killed (12), 1998 US Embassy Bombings, Al Qaeda/Osama bin Ladin, Tanzania/Kenya
Clinton — Killed (0/35 foreign), Operation Infinite Reach, US Air Force, Afghanistan/Sudan
Bush — Hostages (24), Hainan Island incident (EP-3 Aries), 11 days, China
Bush — Killed (2,998), 9/11 Attack, Al Qaeda, Afghanistan
Bush — Killed (3), US Diplomatic Security Specialists, PA Terrorists, PA Territory/Gaza
Bush — Killed (19), Riyadh Compound Bombings, Islamic Terrorists, Saudi Arabia
Bush — Killed (1), Khobar Massacre, The Jerusalem Squadron/Al Qaeda, Saudi Arabia
Obama — Hostages (1), MV Maersk Alabama Piracy, Somalia Pirates, Somalia

Nixon — US Diplomats Killed (Arafat ordered) - http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26856
Johnson — USS Liberty Incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
Johnson — USS Pueblo Incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Pueblo_(AGER-2)
Johnson — Gulf of Tonkin Incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident
Ford — SS Mayaguez Incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayagüez_incident
Ford — Axe Murder Incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axe_Murder_Incident
Carter — Iranian Hostage Crisis - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis
Carter — Operation Eagle Claw (rescue) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw
Reagan — 1981 Gulf of Sidra Incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Sidra_incident_(1981)
Reagan — Operation Urgent Fury - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Grenada
Reagan — Marine Barracks bombing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing
Reagan — Hostages in Lebanon - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_affair
Reagan — Zona Rosa Attack - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_Zona_Rosa_attacks
Reagan — Operation El Dorado Canyon - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_El_Dorado_Canyon
Reagan — Iran Air Flight 655 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
Reagan — USS Stark Missile Attack (FFG-31) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stark_(FFG-31)
Reagan — Operation Attain Document - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_in_the_Gulf_of_Sidra_(1986)
Reagan — 1989 Gulf of Sidra Incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Sidra_incident_(1989)
Bush — Operation Just Cause - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Panama
Clinton — Waco Siege/Branch Davidians - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Siege
Clinton — 1993 World Trade Center Bombing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing
Clinton — Oklahoma City Bombing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing
[ *controversial - http://www.jaynadavis.com/ ]
Clinton — Black Hawk Down - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mogadishu_(1993)
Clinton — USS Cole Bombing (DDG-67) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing
Clinton — TWA Flight 800 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800
[ *controversial - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800_alternative_theories - http://twa800.com/ ]
Clinton — Khobar Towers Bombing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khobar_Towers_bombing
Clinton — 1998 US Embassy Bombings - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_U.S._embassy_bombings
Clinton — Operation Infinite Reach - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Infinite_Reach
Bush — Hainan Island incident - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident
Bush — 9/11 Attack - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11
Bush — US Diplomatic Security Specialist Murders - http://www.nysun.com/opinion/getting-away-with-murder/68852/
Bush — Riyadh Compound Bombings - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riyadh_compound_bombings
Bush — Khobar Massacre - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/29_May_2004_Al-Khobar_massacres
Obama — MV Maersk Alabama Piracy - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Maersk_Alabama

Please help add more so I can update this. If there is another event that happened within a particular President’s term (hostages taken, military killed in actions regarding the crisis, etc...), give me the info and any pertinent links. Still working on it and adding information...


43 posted on 04/10/2009 7:24:56 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: American Dream 246
"...Van wrote, "We should have put a SEAL team in the water early on, even before the U.S. Warship arrived...."

Now I wonder if they would have done this had they know the pres_ent was a usurper.

54 posted on 04/10/2009 9:39:34 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: American Dream 246

Sink the lifeboat, put them all in the water. Have friends in the water for the good guy.


101 posted on 04/11/2009 9:58:57 AM PDT by xone
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To: American Dream 246

I’d be careful about taking military advice from someone who refers to “Marines and Navy soldiers.”


121 posted on 04/11/2009 2:21:06 PM PDT by TankerKC (Revenge and Envy--the new Principles of Freerepublic?)
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To: American Dream 246

Obama is an embarrassment. period.


132 posted on 04/11/2009 7:53:56 PM PDT by Ancient Drive (will)
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