Obama's Illinois Driver's License Abstract

Article 2, Sect 1, Clause 5 (Natural Born Citizen) ^ | 2/21/09 | RR

[BP2]

There’s a bit of a mystery that may not have been brought up before regarding Obama’s Illinois driver’s license record.

This is BHO’s Illinois driver’s license abstract:



In addition to showing Obama’s Illinois driver’s license number, O150-0686-1221-0, it does show a clean record.

But what’s with the “Cont. Lic. Date” of 8-19-96? The date seems to be when he first applied for his Illinois Driver’s License, which he held consistently through its expiration date of 8-4-08.

Some background:
Obama first moved to Chicago in 1985 and may have used some mass transit occasionally as a Community Organizer. Obama began attending Harvard Law School in fall 1988. In 1989, he worked briefly at the Sidley Austin Law Firm in Chicago, as a summer associate from Harvard, where he met Michelle. They had a "long distance relationship" until he graduated from Harvard in May 1991. Obama returned to be the Illinois head of "Project Vote" (affiliated with "ACORN") while Michelle is hired as a Chicago mayoral assistant. On Dec. 17, 1991, Obama is admitted to the Illinois Bar. Obama and Michelle married Oct. 3, 1992.

BHO definitely owned and drove a car while wooing Michelle in Chicago between summer 1989 and October 1992. THIS is from the “60 Minutes” interview last year, while they were reminiscing of their early years together:

Kroft: It is one bedroom? Studio?
Mr. Obama: Yeah, it was sort of a one bedroom. It had kind of the vintage, college dorm, pizza…
Kroft: Community organizer, right?, feel to it.
Michelle Obama: It reminded me of a little better version of the apartment you were in when we first started dating. That was a dump too.
Mr. Obama: Right near Harold's Chicken Shack.
Michelle Obama: Yeah.
Mr. Obama: Yeah. That's when I had the car with the-the hole in it.
Michelle Obama: And you could see the sidewalk, because the rust had gone through.
Mr. Obama: The air-conditioning.
Michelle Obama: So that was my side. I would look and see the ground going past. And I still married him.

One consideration might be that he let his Illinois driver’s license lapse while he was at Harvard from Fall 1988 to May 1991. In 2007, to clean his record for his presidential run, Obama paid for 17 parking tickets he received between Oct. 5, 1988 and Jan. 12, 1990. However, it is unknown if he had a Massachusetts drivers license during that time. It’s more likely that he kept his Illinois drivers license and drove his rusty car back and forth 1000 miles, nearly 16 hours, between Harvard and Chicago when visiting Michelle (see Obama finally pays local parking ticket).

Regardless, it’s unlikely he neither owned nor drove a car in Illinois for five years after returning to Chicago in mid-1991 (post-Harvard) until the date on the Illinois driver’s license abstract of Aug 19, 1996.

So why the 1996 date, just months before his first run (and win) as an Illinois State Senator with the socialist New Party in November 1996?

[Polarik]

I think that if we dig long enough and deep enough, “Barry Soetoro” (B.S.)will show up in a record somewhere else. It would be a bit unlikely that every single piece of info for BS has been found and thoroughly scrubbed.

[Slings and Arrows]

But because none of the hospitals seem have records of he or his mother being admitted, and the intensity that he and his attorneys are fighting the simplest of subpoenas and requests for information, there’s more to all of this than a simple “right to privacy.”

No doubt. The question is what. I have a sneaking suspicion that the truth will be weirder than anything we've imagined.

[ExTexasRedhead]

PING

[SouthTexas]

Illegals don’t need no steenkin’ drivers license!

[longtermmemmory]

parking tickets generally do not appear on the record since they follow the car not the driver. They only appear if unpaid tickets suspend the license.

This is not an unusual record formate for someone without a ticket.

Typical of Judges who don’t get tickets unless they are really big jerks caught on camera.

Cops who get “professional courtesy”

Elected “do you know who I am” political officials.

[BP2]

Yes, even the most well-planned cover-up always has loose ends. They have definitely been trying to clean his record. For example, I KNOW that BHO and his “team” started “interviewing” State SOSs back in 2006 to see if any would give them “problems” leading up through the vetting process.

I spoke to the PI who found the ‘64 divorce papers back in late-December. He told me that the case had been re-indexed and definitely looked like it had been tampered with — he said he was very “lucky” to have found it at all.

The only reason that we have what we have is that those items: the Illinois driving record, property tax info, the divorce decrees, Ann's school records, etc — are that those records are PUBLIC RECORD.

In Hawaii, for example, Divorces are Public Record — Birth and Marriage certificates are not. BUT different states have different rules on what they can release.

The key IMO, short of court-ordered subpoenas, will be to scour what is in Public Record and/or can be requested through normal means (like the Illinois driver's license) or through FOIA requests.

[Iowan]

Thanks, BP2

Ping.

[urtax$@work]

1. David Berkowitz - The Son of Sam:

Berkowitz was eventually caught after receiving a parking ticket at the time and near the place of the Moskowitz murder. That evidence along with letters he wrote to Carr and the Cassaras..............

You never know what a parking ticket can lead to.

2. You can possess more that one D.L. at any given time. You just have to be careful which one you use in any given state.

[azishot]

The key IMO, short of court-ordered subpoenas, will be to scour what is in Public Record and/or can be requested through normal means (like the Illinois driver’s license) or through FOIA requests.

***How long does it take to get an answer to a FOIA request?

Each day he remains in office is bad news for our country. He’s only been “in office” for a month and look at what he’s done.

Time is not on our side...Thank you for working on this for us.

[urtax$@work]

.......his “team” started “interviewing” State SOSs back in 2006...BUT different states have different rules on what they can release....or through FOIA requests.

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So, how about a flanking movement!? Request minutes of meetings of SOSs, & their staff, emails , phone logs, etc.

[BP2]

Thanks for the support. What we really need is a “trusted” Freeper who lives in Massachusetts to follow up on a lead...

[justiceseeker93]

What is the connection of the Driver’s License to the constitutional eligibility for President issue?

[Wild Irish Rogue]

“I have a sneaking suspicion that the truth will be weirder than anything we’ve imagined.”

A couple of us have come to the conclusion that it’s possible Barry might be half Indonesian rather than half African American.
Imagine if that was what he was hiding ?

Thread here -” Rising Fame For Obama Lookalike “
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2168834/posts?q=1&;page=1

Post 17 from maine-iac7 and mine at 24 begin the thought process.

[toldyou]

“How sad that a man travels 10,000 miles for a reunion with his classmates and only manages to see his son in an airport.”

Because it isn’t his son?

[El Gato]

This may just be me, but BHO Jr and Sr don’t look one d*mn thing alike.

Many people favor one side of their family more than the other.

IMHO, BHO is a darker Version of his maternal grandfather, with slightly broader nose and fuller lips.

[little jeremiah]

A photo of 0bama Sr, Anne and 0bama Jr in an apartment with a Christmas tree has been posted a few times, someone will know where it is. It’s from that same visit IIRC.

[BP2]

What is the connection of the Driver’s License to the constitutional eligibility for President issue?

The driver's license may be in a different name or point to another bread crumb that opens the doors wider.

Many people believe that Obama had a legal name change in Indonesia and/or was adopted when he went to Indonesia as a child from 1966-1971. He and his minions have refuted that saying “Barry Soetoro” was only a nickname. Looking at the rules and laws in Indonesia at the time, that's highly unlikely. If he never revealed this to Hawaiian or US officials, he would have potential US citizenship issues as well as legal jeopardy for not divulging Aliases and Former Names (like with the Illinois Bar for starters):

It is further believed that, at minimum, he used that name to enroll at Occidental College from ‘79-'81. Additionally, it is thought that he also used his Indonesian citizenship to obtain an Indonesian passport that he used for his travels overseas in the early 80s to Pakistan, India and other countries. Because he first went to Chicago in 1985, it is quite possible he did not universally use his CURRENT name. He DID seem to use Barack Obama while at Columbia, although it certain does NOT seem to be his writing style: http://d.scribd.com/docs/21d3e299ea5wg0cwxj9l.pdf

As a result, it is believed that he lost his US citizenship, possibility until 2006, when Indonesia changed their citizenship laws to allow dual citizenship. A lot of things happened in 2006, as he began to get his “ducks in a row” to run for President (as we can see with the most-recent Issued Date of Feb 2006, out of sequence for renewal in Illinois).

That would cause “Art II, Sect 1, Clause 5” Eligibility issues on TWO counts: 1) he may not be a NBC; and 2) he would not have been a (legal) resident for 14 years.

There are many aspects, in the “Court of Law” and the “Court of Public Opinion” that can be damning for him as the lawyers get their hands on prima facia:

1) Eligibility (legal)
2) Trust (legal and public opinion)
3) Allegiance (public opinion)

As his approval numbers go down from the financial mess, you can bet that opportunistic Dems will probably "drop the goods" they have on him if those of us don't get to him first!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Now this is really interesting....everywhere you turn...there are some real questions about who this guy really is./.....??

[I see my hands]

"MY EYES"
"Don’t SHOUT!"

Never post in red! :)

[Chief Engineer]

Jr was back in HI in 1970, as we know from the interview with Weatherly Williams, regarding the first meeting of Jr and Frank Marshall Davis. Whether he returned to Indonesia after writing the entrance exams for Punahou is unknown at this time. From what classmates have said Jr attended classes in Indonesia and didn’t return from one of the breaks the school had. I haven’t found it mentioned what break that might have been, but from the sounds of it, the break occurred during the school term so Jr was there before the break but not after the break. He began attending Punahou in 1971 in grade 5 and it has been written as though he began school at Punahou in September,1971.
Sr had graduated from UH in June, 1962 according to the newspaper interviews given the day he left HI, but I do believe he was double dipping while attending UH. He didn’t complain about the high cost of living in HI but did complain once he was at Harvard. One of the main reasons he gives for picking up with Ruth was that she had money so they could do things. If he had been double dipping and receiving money not only from Elizabeth Mooney Kirk as well as from the federal government as a student of the newly formed East West Center it would explain the lack of complaining while living in the most expensive state of Hawaii! Also as an incentive East West Center students not only had tuition, books, meals,and spending money for two years but also a two month tour of the mainland afterwards.(as per a Time article I linked recently) When Ann and Lolo got married it would have been easy for her to show her divorce papers to the court and simply say she couldn’t find Sr, then the reverse could be true for another name change once she left Lolo.