Posted on 01/20/2009 5:14:39 AM PST by PurpleMountains
In my opinion, the cultural war between secular-progressives and traditional Americans will become a violent, bloody war if the Democrats in Congress try to criminalize policy differences by trying to punish members of the Bush Administration for attempting (and succeeding) to protect American lives. Obama isn’t saying much, although he appointed Holder, but Pelosi, Conyers, Reid, Holder and others are mouthing some very dangerous thoughts. As a minimum, practices that were originated by Carter and Clinton and merely continued by the Bush Administration (such as rendition and warrantless wiretapping) will be given much publicity, and, beyond that, some of us will be forced to support some violent people we normally shun and despise.
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“when black will not be asked to give back, when brown can stick around, when yellow will be mellow, when the red man can get ahead man, and when white would embrace what is right ...”
And so the attack on white Americans begins.
I’ll give reparations one aerodynamically shaped piece of copper jacketed lead at a time!
The difference is the Jews were a minuscule minority. What, single digit %?
They had been hated and hounded and blamed for societies ills all over the world for centuries.
They were stuck in a post-Imperial nation who had lost a crushing war.
There is no comparison to us now or even if it gets to depression level.
BANG!
And all bets are off.
It has been said that “there are none so blind as those who will not see”.
You are proving it again!
My 8th grade public school history book said that there was a “civil war” and that’s the end of it by crackie!! The dictionary be damned!
No, “there are none so blind as those who will not see” describes you. Not I.
The dictionary was right. You are wrong.
Yes...the a-hole won by a majority due to the fact that many (too many) people are or were too damned busy with their own lives and self-involvement to bother to research Obama and what he and his voting record represented. Hell, one of my co-workers, a devout Catholic, had no idea that he was the only Senator that voted in favor of not providing medical care to live birth infants. Every other DemocRat senator voted against it but Zero. She also had never even heard of George Soros.
This is the kind of ignorance, apathy and complacency we’re up against. And with the lefties controlling all three branches and flushing the country down the toilet as fast as they possibly can, I’m afraid we have finally lost the country to these morons.
You wrote: : a war between opposing groups of citizens of the same country Never yet happened in this country.
Ok, what was the War of Northern Aggresesion or The War Between The States? Weren't (nearly) all the participants citizens of the USA? Yes, they were citizens of their states too. I guess it's a terminology question. If Germany attacked France again I think most people would not call it ia civil war, despite the fact they are both EU members. The original design of the USofA was a "Republic of Republics". So perhaps this example is what The War Between the States felt like to participants.
Is this what you meant?
Here are a few phrases to contemplate from Messiah Zero's Inauguration Address:
"common purpose"
"common good"
"common defense"
"common humanity"
"common dangers"
If that doesn't communicate our future, comrade, nothing will!
Why do you feel that Lincoln was so right in starting a war? The States entered into the Union voluntarily. It was a widespread belief that secession was an option for any state. It was written into many state Constituitons. It was debated in several state legislatures ever decade or so after the founding, and voted on in Vermont, I believe.
It seems to me that Lincoln's interpretation is the odd one, and that he started and fought a very terrible war to force one group of people to associate with others when they did not want to. The Southern States, after all, voted to leave the Union.
Is it your beleif that this was all justified somehow? Are we prisoners or our citizenship, or is it a voluntary union.
I suspect you haven't read much from the 'other side' of history. I was raised in the North by proud Yankees, it wasn't until someone gave me some books at age 40 that I seriously looked into the issues around the civil war. The results of my study were that I have a great deal more sympathy for the ideas which the South was promoting, and the true causes of the war. I believe no individual in American history has had a longer, stronger free ride than Lincoln.
Oh,yes, Ron Paul's comment from the debates on this was interesting: Slavery was abolished in the entire Western World in the 19th century. No where else did it take a million dead to do it.
Pelosi and Reid are very dangerous
I have heard these arguments forever.
1) Lincoln did not start the war. That is untrue on ever level. The South started seceding months before his inauguration and fire the first shots on U.S. territory (spare me the Ft Sumter was SC territory).
2) It was not 1 million dead. It was 600,000.
3) A standard argument from neo-Confeds is that “you must not have read the right books if you believe ____). Its a silly argument. I do not have to read Nazi or Communist or, if you prefer, British propaganda to understand the truth of WWII, the Cold war and the Revolution.
I am American. This country has done more good for the world than any other. I do not support the Balkinization of America then or now.
It was the same war that is still being fought in the US today..urban vs rural........
If the definition read "a war between opposing groups of citizens formerly of the same country" that would be quite another thing. It doesn't.
Ah, but my dear Sascha, you made mistake. Let me for you to fix! (/s)
"If that doesn't communicate our collective future, comrade, nothing will!
Da. Is better, no? Now must be off going to cook cabbages and beet for politruks.
I do believe there will be no need for my grandkids to study Russian history in college. They'll be reliving it. :(
I HIGHLY recommend Ivan's War: Life and Death in the Red Army, 1939-1945. Merridale has convinced me that the Russians are not coming for us; we are becoming them. :( x2
Yes. In fact the fact that they continue to be debated is probably some indication that your simplistic view is not that accurate. You don't hear any debate on whether the Nazi's had a legitimate cause, or the Soviets, to use two of your examples.
1) Lincoln did not start the war. That is untrue on ever level. The South started seceding months before his inauguration
Again, my main point is that secession is not war, rather obviously. It is a (in my opinion nad the opinion of many other historians, including many sympathetic to the Union side) a political option that was fully legal.
and fire the first shots on U.S. territory (spare me the Ft Sumter was SC territory).
Many wars start due to someone's hand being forced. We fired the first shot in the Iraq War, that doesn't make us the aggressor. Are you an officer? I would expect you to understand these things?
2) It was not 1 million dead. It was 600,000.600,000 soldiers, a large but not well documented number of civilians died as well. I think 1 million is a reasonable estimate, but even if we only count military deaths it was a terrible toll. Was there no other way to resolve these isssues?
3) A standard argument from neo-Confeds is that “you must not have read the right books if you believe ____).
It's not a silly argument. If you want to be really educated you need to read both sides of contentious issues. You need to read primary source documents. Reading Nazi and Communist propganda is enlightening, but it doesn't lead one to have more sympathy with their cause. Perhaps you are not really interested in history?
Believe what you want. I learned long ago to stop wasting energy debating you’re kind on this issue. It is like swimming in oatmeal.
Interesting points.
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