Posted on 12/13/2008 3:17:20 PM PST by mainestategop
December 8th was the anniversary of the death of Beatle John Lenon. Most of the world mourned the death of this man for his music but most of all for his views or I should say imagination. Well if we understood more about who he was and what he imagined, we would be celebrating rather mourning. Why? John's views were hostile towards the American ideals of individualism freedom and liberty and supportive of worldwide despotic communism at the hands of the New World order. His song Imagine was nothing more than a call for the destruction of America and religion and unity under a world wide socialist dictatorship.
We are already well on our way there. America, the last vestige of any kind of individual liberty is crumbling before our eyes. The past 18 years alone has seen the growth of tyranny of government and the loss of constitutional liberties. We are paying more and more for less and less for those who won't work, we are seeing our rights trampled on while criminals get away with murder, we see our business system crumble and give way to outsourcing, illegal immigrant job theft, over regulation and over taxation. Our morals have also taken a nose dive. Prop 8 may have passed in California and we may be taking back ground in some places but its still happening elsewhere. The values of the left that came about through the British invation and the hippies lead the way downhill.
Let us disect the meaning of the lyrics of Imagine and let us examined what Lennon stood for. John Lennon as we know was no friend of ours. Lennon was an open and avowed marxist who expressed his hatred for America and freedom and for America's independance. He is also notorious for airing blasphemy against Christ and the bible. He even faced deportation.
The song Imagine expresses just what he stood for:
Imagine there's no heaven, its easy if you try, no hell below us, above us only sky, imagine all the people, living for today.
In other words, imagine we were not accountable to a supreme being for our actions. Imagine we could go around doing drugs, getting drunk, commiting murder and other evil acts not to mention squandering our futures and our children's futures. Imagine living only for today! Well if there were no God we were accountable we could and avoid the consequences. Well, we ARE accountable to God for what we do in this life. We are required to protect the weak and down trodden, to safeguard liberty, to uphold the value of human life and leave this world as good as if not a better place than before to our descendants. Instead we now have an upayable debt, a nation that is becoming weaker and its all because we are living for today.
Imagine there's no countries, It isn't hard to do, nothing to kill or die for no religion too. Imagine all the people living life in peace
Imagine no countries. What is a country? A country is defined as a soverign and independant nation. Our country, is not just that but more, it used to be a nation of sovereign and independant individuals! Not anymore. We are no longer independant citizens but becoming world citizens of a worldwide collective. Not a very good one at that. Lennon also makes the mistake of believing that we have wars because of nationalism and religion. That can be a factor but if we look back that isn't the case. In the beginning in the days of Cain and Abel there certainly weren't any major differences like religion or countries, that didn't stop Cain from commiting the first murder.
The soviet Union was one big country without religion yet the governemt killed many people and many people died. Hardly anyone lived life in peace there. So atheism once again proves to be flawed as with Lennon's views.
Imagine no possesions I wonder if you can No need for greed no hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people sharing all the world
You can say that Im a dreamer but Im not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one
Imagine no possesions. More like a worldwide collective where the state owns everything and everyone. Just like what Lennon advocates. Ironically Lennon was worth a ton of money when he died so he never practiced what he preached.
Lennon was criticized for his wealth during his Playboy interview but defended himself by pointing out how difficult it is to leave a materialist world behind once you are caught up in it and comparing this to leaving the Beatles:
PLAYBOY: "Why does anyone need $150,000,000? Couldn't you be perfectly content with $100,000,000? Or $1,000,000?"
LENNON: "What would you suggest I do? Give everything away and walk the streets? The Buddhist says 'get rid of the possessions of the mind'. Walking away from all the money would not accomplish that. It's like the Beatles. I couldn't walk away from the Beatles. That's one possession that's still tagging along, right? If I walk away from one house or 400 houses, I'm not gonna escape it."
Then there is his call for a brotherhood of man, where the world is one. Now I would have no problem with that if only the world government that they want us to submit to wasn't so anti freedom and anti Christ. The other problem is man's sinful and fallen nature that hinders this desire. No matter what the left does to obtain utopia on earth it is always a failure.
John Lennon wasn't a Beetle, he was a locust and I imagine there's no leftists, no atheism too where people live life in peace. Thanks to leftists like John Lennon and those who followed him who even now occupy our places of power, we have no peace. Posted by mainestategop at 6:00 PM Labels: atheism, beatles, communism, fascism, hypocrisy, imagine, johnlennon, leftists, liberals, marxism, nwo, terrorism
I don’t care. I’m not going to the trouble to only listen to music made by small l libertarians. My playlist would be really short.
Mediocrity coached and pulled along by the ever humble Mr Beatles himself George Martin.
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You are missing the point. It is not a question of finding entertainers with whom you are in lockstep agreement. It is whether or not you will support a known enemy with your dollars.
For example, I don't require that singers or other entertainers say publicly that they are pro-life. If they are pro-abortion, I don't care--as long as they "shut up and sing," and don't spew their leftist tripe. If a performer is outspokenly pro-abortion and I know it, I become unable to enjoy their work, partly because by buying their work, I will be indirectly supporting a cause I find amoral.
Of course, if one were a moderate and not a conservative, I could see that there might not be any particular viewpoint, left or right, that would be considered offensive.
Ok, now I’m not a conservative because of the music I listen to. Discussion over. Have a good weekend.
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No, I'm not saying you are not a good conservative because of the music you listen to. I don't need to, as you have admitted on this thread that you are a "small 'l' libertarian."
Small "l" libertarian (or, for that matter, big "L" Libertarian) is simply not the same thing as conservative. It is a distinction with a difference.
Despite our political disagreements, I also wish you a pleasant weekend.
It’s complicated to say what the American heritage is, because it’s not a native country of one ethnicity, but a gathering place for peoples from elsewhere. The United States of America is as much an idea as it is a geographical location.
Harrison had an idea of forming a group made up from his friends. It was him, Jeff Lynne {from ELO}, Bob Dylan, Tom Petty, and Roy Orbison, who made up the group The Traveling Wilburys. If nobody's heard their music it's worth listening to especially "The End of The Line".
When someone tells me they like the song "Imagine" I usually show them the words which shocks them when they actually read them. Lennon wasted his talent. His fame went to his head and stayed there thus becoming an attention seeking freak. Yoko's singing reminds me of Morticia on the Addams Family. Kinda like fingers on a chalk board. No chalk board should be tortured like that :>}
George Harrison was always my favorite. He had such heart, which Lennon seemed so cold and cynical. Never liked him, even as a kid.
I loved the Traveling Wilburys, especially the video with the empty rocking chair, to remember Roy Orbison ...
Yea despite the things they done when they were younger Harrison seems to be the one who grew up. I saw the train video for End of the line when it first came out in the 80’s. I had a VHS copy of it taken off a C-Band satellite and it was mono :>{ I got it when a couple of years ago they finally released the DVD. Some good insight as to George’s character there. A 180 from Lenon’s that’s for certain. The song Handle with care is pretty much proof where a lot of The Beatles sound as far as the music goes actually came from :>}
paul wrote helter skelter. it was a much slower tune. a version is available on anthology. while recording the WA, paul went to lunch and heard an interview with pete townsend - the child porn clown from the Who. pete said that something they were doing (or had released) was going to the most raucous rock and roll song ever made (something to that effect). so paul went back to the studio and made helter skelter into the released version to out-do the Who.
Most of his stuff didn’t get any airplay until after he was dead.
have you listened to the bootleg from the twickenham and abbey road sessions leading to the let it be album? lots of george’s all things must pass stuff. he was writing a lot, but complained that john and paul refused to help him as they did each other.
people can have any opinion they want of the copyright-royalty crowd - from musicians to actors, they all get more money and therefore publicity than (generally) their intellect can handle.
i guess you had to grow up in the ‘60s and ‘70s to appreciate the impact of The Beatles and their solo careers. it was well beyond the individual songs.
yes, john had an uncontrolled mouth sometimes. yes, as i grew up myself i became rather appalled at the Imagine lyrics, and now find them rather hopeless and sad.
but do you really think we took Bag Peace seriously? it was a time of - “holy s——! look what’s he’s doing now! so funny.” the people that took that stuff seriously at the time were no different than the algore disciples now. but then - if you were there - remember when john and paul went into the studio (just the two of them) and recorded the ballad of john and yoko in an afternoon? what a great single.
i remember the feeling of wide-open innocence walking through my grandfather’s field with mother nature’s son in my head.
it was just a time when we were kids and growing up. i don’t get avenged sevenfold, but my daughter tries to tell me to listen to the words. it is her time, her music.
it is easy to criticize The Beatles and the individual members. but really, trying to respectful, that is staring at some trees and missing the forest. everyone and everything ever in this world (except Christ) is capable of receiving appropriate criticism.
i am sorry for the way john died. being murdered just isn’t the way to go out. i am sorry his son never really knew him - and even more sorry for what he seems to have become under yoko’s hand. i am sorry that julian had a fatherless childhood and overcompensated later in life. but they were and are just people. we know a lot about them because of the copyright-royalty world in which we live.
listen to “old dirt road” and realize that all the dude did was write music. nothing more. he used his talents to do his job just like another person standing in front of a lathe.
>>But that is, without a doubt, the dopiest statement I have ever seen on FR.<<
I don’t like his songs, what I do like by the Beatles was written by McCartney.
He was pumped up my a generation, doped up. “I am the Walrus” and “Sgt Pepper” are not art. In a hundred years, you’ll have to fight to find the man’s name in a book.
>>i guess you had to grow up in the ‘60s and ‘70s to appreciate the impact of The Beatles and their solo careers. it was well beyond the individual songs.<<
I did.
Every generation has it’s “great” artists.
People swooned over Sinatra, Elvis, hell even Al Jolson.
The Beatles are no different. When this generation dies out, Lennon falls on the ash heep.
OK, Mom, steak dinner bet, hundred years from now.
‘course, there may be no steak then.
heck, there may be no netmilsmom and Bunkasaurus ;-)
>>heck, there may be no netmilsmom and Bunkasaurus ;-)<<
Truth be told!
But let’s get real, how much to do know about Harold Arlen?
John Lennon will fall to the same place in history (maybe). Only the babyboomers keep him on Mount Olympus.
“...about Harold Arlen?”....very little.
I looked at a list of his hits in Wiki...none of them big faves of mine...Over the Rainbow, maybe.
Never cared much for his partner, Johnny Mercer.
You big H.A. fan?
In that time period my man is Cole Porter.
(I like Paul Mac, too. Who doesn’t?)
>>In that time period my man is Cole Porter.<<
Oooo! Me too!
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