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To: palmer; Calpernia; pissant; Fred Nerks; LucyT
Comparing your real COLB to the photos at fact check (e.g. http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg there is no difference in the borders. All the stuff in your blog about artifacts of scanning and digital altering are irrelevant if you can't explain how the fact check photos depict a document with two real stamps (rubber stamp from the notary and an embossing stamps).

First of all, I will answer all of yours and anyone else's questions. I am in the midst of completing Part Two, which talks about the Factcheck photos rather exclusively. The reason why it is taking so long to finish, is because I promised someone that I would not be doing this anymore. So, basically, I'm going back on my promise to finish what I started.

Next, I need to know by what you mean, "no difference in the borders." Which borders, or which part of the borders look exactly alike?

Keep in mind that Factcheck's photos, when brought out to their original size, are 3 1/2 times bigger than the image of the 2007 COLB I used for display. The actual image size of the 2007 COLB is 2550 x 3300 pixels, and that might provide a better comparison.

Keep in mind that you are comparing a photo to a scan.

Now, I can explain all of what you ask, but in order to do so, I need to know what you believe about the COLB images that were produced by a digital scanner, and the COLB photos that were produced by a digital camera.

Please answer the following questions:

    Do you believe that:

  1. Obama's COLB image posted on the Daily Kos is a forgery?
  2. Obama's COLB image posted on Fight The Smears is a forgery?
  3. Obama's COLB image posted on Factcheck.org is a forgery?
  4. Obama's COLB image posted on Politifact is a forgery?
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  5. All of the images listed above were scanned from Obama's real, paper 2007 COLB?
  6. All of the photos posted on Factcheck were made from Obama's real, paper 2007 COLB?
  7. All of the photos posted on Factcheck look exactly like Obama's real, paper 2007 COLB?
  8. All of the info in these images and photos match the info in Obama's original birth certificate?


53 posted on 11/07/2008 9:15:50 PM PST by Polarik ("The Greater Evil")
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To: Polarik
# Obama's COLB image posted on the Daily Kos is a forgery?
Too low res to tell. If it is, it wouldn't be too hard to create.

# Obama's COLB image posted on Fight The Smears is a forgery?
Same as above

# Obama's COLB image posted on Factcheck.org is a forgery?
Could be, but only using the steps I outlined in the 6000 post thread: forge, print on hashed paper, emboss paper, stamp paper with notary stamp, fold, photograph.

# Obama's COLB image posted on Politifact is a forgery?
Looks the same as the first two.

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# All of the images listed above were scanned from Obama's real, paper 2007 COLB?
No way to tell. The borders on the three sites with scanned images have too many scanning artifacts to compare to the factcheck photo.

# All of the photos posted on Factcheck were made from Obama's real, paper 2007 COLB?
Yes, until I see evidence that a embosser and stamp were obtained by the O-team or they bought the tools to make the embosser and rubber stamp (e.g. laser engraver).

# All of the photos posted on Factcheck look exactly like Obama's real, paper 2007 COLB?
Can't tell. The lighting seems to be different in some of the photos.

# All of the info in these images and photos match the info in Obama's original birth certificate?
Unless the doc showed in the factcheck photos was forged, yes. For the others, can't tell.

57 posted on 11/07/2008 10:16:04 PM PST by palmer (Some third party malcontents don't like Palin because she is a true conservative)
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To: Polarik

Polarik, when you come back to address this thread; can you also give your thoughts as to why FactCheck has COLBs in different colored paper? I know I remember you saying you called the Dept. of Health and asked about the paper code. How can there be a gold and a green certificate on the FactCheck server?


58 posted on 11/09/2008 3:51:19 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Polarik
I am in the midst of completing Part Two, which talks about the Factcheck photos rather exclusively

Please ping me when you finish. I answered your questions in my previous post and I expect an answer to mine. Specifically, how did a forger create the embossed seal on the photo (e.g. http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg and if they photographed the paper before photoshopping the seal, I would like an example showing a photoshopped seal over a photographed crease in paper. If instead they obtained a seal and used it, I would like to know where they obtained it or what equipment they purchased if they made their own.

Please understand that I am not doing this to undercut your work. Your original conclusions about the other COLB scans (those not on factcheck) may well be supportable. But they do not apply to the factcheck photos unless you have a plausible explanation (i.e. repeatable process) for the two stamps (the notary rubber stamp and the embossing) as well as the hashed paper since that was probably preprinted.

62 posted on 11/09/2008 5:58:44 AM PST by palmer (Some third party malcontents don't like Palin because she is a true conservative)
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