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1 posted on 10/25/2008 2:33:43 AM PDT by markedmannerf
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To: markedmannerf

You mean his Visa would have been stronger evidence of his ciizenship?

Linking this to Birth Certificate Link Thread
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2114092/posts?page=1


2 posted on 10/25/2008 2:36:50 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (BO and ACORN led to Fannie/Freddie and Economic Meltdown. [The RATS in gnrl.])
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Interesting. So he just applied for a Hawaiian birth certificate and got one by saying his mother or father was a US citizen. I hope this gets traction somehow. I can’t imagine how he could be eligible, no matter how much people want to cover it up, because it is part of the constitution. If the media decided to keep up with this ruse, President Bush would make an executive order disqualifying Obama under his authority and requirement to upload the constitution.


3 posted on 10/25/2008 2:38:04 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/)
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When was the last time Bama went to Africa? (Before he got cloaked with diplomatic immunity as US Senator.) Somebody out there knows what his legal status is. IF there is any thing here it makes for perfect opportunity for him to be object of blackmail.
4 posted on 10/25/2008 2:42:19 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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When was the last time Bama went to Africa? (Before he got cloaked with diplomatic immunity as US Senator.) Somebody out there knows what his legal status is. IF there is any thing here it makes for perfect opportunity for him to be object of blackmail.

Oh I forgot to add Biden attempting to rally the fund raisers and media about international crisis in six months does not seem so far fetched.

5 posted on 10/25/2008 2:43:57 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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Not so fast. The Hawaii law like other state laws allows for issuance of birth certificates only to people born in that state or adopted in that state. So the only way a foreign-born individual can receive a state certified birth certificate is if they are adopted in that state. And guess what, the state birth certificate lists the foreign city and country where that individual was born. So if O’Bomber was adopted in Hawaii, his birth certificate would still list the foreign country where he was born.


6 posted on 10/25/2008 3:01:37 AM PDT by gotribe (obama just sucks)
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I don’t understand the point here. Is it being suggested that because a foreign born person can apply for an amended birth certificate to be issued by Hawaii that they can amend so as to falsely change their birthplace to Hawaii and that this is OK by Hawaii?


7 posted on 10/25/2008 3:20:46 AM PDT by Caranda
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To: markedmannerf

Has he actually produced a birth certificate?


8 posted on 10/25/2008 3:23:44 AM PDT by panthermom
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To: markedmannerf
Screw that.

I'll bet he went to Hawaii to look for his certificate of Virgin birth.

Full Disclosure: ...and why did he fly, instead of just walking across the Pacific?

Cheers!

9 posted on 10/25/2008 3:25:37 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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I don’t get any of this.
Why doesn’t the FBI Director have an agent check this out?

Legal and Illegal Aliens try to get federal govt jobs everyday. Illegal aliens use false documents. Some Legal Aliens believe they are allowed. Fact is one must be a US CITIZEN to work for the federal government.

When I was hired by the feds some years back, there was a group of about 20 new people. During the first month (training) a couple of people walked in the room and escorted one fellow out . It turned out he was a Legal Alien, but Not a US Citize. Game Over.

Recent news accounts report the border patrol has hired illegal aliens with false papers.

And then there’s the case of the Illegal Alien female who was hired by the FBI (with bogus papers) and then moved to the CIA. After years the “intel” community discovered her real background and suspected her to be a foreign spy.

Everybody asks the same thing: Why won’t Obama simply provide access for the news media to get all the data from Hawaii records? What’s the problem?

Why doesn’t Bush order the FBI to do just a basic background check? Why doesn’t the FBI Director (nominated by Feinstein & Boxer) assign agents in Hawaii to go look?

And now this federal judge says American Citizens have no standing in the matter. Hello?

What the hell’s going on? It’s a damned coup! There’s no other explanation.


13 posted on 10/25/2008 4:04:09 AM PDT by XGMan
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Another angle here. A caller to the Savage Nation mentioned that Obama may have applied for colleges as a foreign student, there would have been lots of bennies for him to do it.That is probably why his college records are not shown....any thoughts?


15 posted on 10/25/2008 4:15:03 AM PDT by 09Patriot (you can't spell barak obama without B.O.)
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Maya was born in Jakarta, Indonesia, but was registered in Hawaii by her America-hating mother as “born in Honolulu.”

http://www.whosdatedwho.com/celebrities/people/list/celebrity-categories.asp?FD=birthplace&ID=Honolulu,%20HI


16 posted on 10/25/2008 4:24:30 AM PDT by Beckwith ('Typical White Person')
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22 posted on 10/25/2008 5:05:58 AM PDT by pabianice (Inexplicable and infuriating.)
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Gee someone just figured this out, I have pointed that out for months....


23 posted on 10/25/2008 5:06:14 AM PDT by usmcobra (There are 665,000,000 reasons why Obama should show his eligibility to be president!)
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But Philip J. Berg, a former deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania, told the Michael Savage talk radio program tonight that the document is forged and that he has a tape recording he will soon release.

"This has been a real sham he's pulled off for the last 20 months," Berg told Savage. "I'll release it [the tape] in a day or two, affidavits from her talking to a certain person. I heard the tape. She was speaking [to someone] here in the United States."

He said the telephone call was from Obama's paternal grandmother affirming she "was in the delivery room in Kenya when he was born Aug. 4, 1961."

25 posted on 10/25/2008 5:59:19 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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Good find! kudos!

obumpa

31 posted on 10/25/2008 7:05:59 PM PDT by Dajjal (Visit Ann Coulter's getdrunkandvote4mccain.com)
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There is more than one way to get at what is on record in the bowels of the Department of Health in Hawaii...Apparently if you are not authorized to access the records (as a relative or something) then you can apply for a Letter of Verification http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/vital_records.html

This is essentially a blind verification— if you provide the information they will confirm if it is on record. $5 per guess...so you can make a guess, “Please verify that Barrack Obama was born at X hospital” or “Please verify that someone with the mother Durham was born on X day”

I'm not sure I have enough facts to submit the smart requests to get at the right information, but perhaps others do. And there is no telling what the turnaround time would be and how it could ultimately be used, but I think further answers are critical.

This is what the site says:
Letters of verification may be issued in lieu of certified copies (HRS §338-14.3). This document verifies the existence of a birth/death/marriage/divorce certificate on file with the Department of Health and any other information that the applicant provides to be verified relating to the vital event. (For example, that a certain named individual was born on a certain date at a certain place.) The verification process will not, however, disclose information about the vital event contained within the certificate that is unknown to and not provided by the applicant in the request.

Letters of verification are requested in similar fashion and using the same request forms as for certified copies.

The fee for a letter of verification is $5 per letter.

32 posted on 10/25/2008 8:03:48 PM PDT by polstar123
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But a legitimate Certification of Live Birth would not say he was born in Honolulu, if he wasn't and that was properly reported. So, he could have been in Honolulu, in which case he's a Native Born US Citizen. Or it could have been misrepresented on the registration upon which the CLB is based. Or the CLB is at least a partial forgery, that is it was alternated to indicate he'd been born in Honolulu.
If the first is true, why not release the source document? If it's not true, then he's not a Natural born citizen, and thus is ineligible.
33 posted on 10/27/2008 5:33:38 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: markedmannerf

The mere fact that there is a Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) and not a Birth Certificate (BC) seems to indicate he was foreign born.


36 posted on 10/27/2008 5:59:10 PM PDT by CodeToad
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the biggest problem is that his grandmother admitted that he was born in Kenya. His true birth certificate is sealed in Hawaii. He by law has to produce the original or an actual true copy that has the same exact seal as the original. Hawaii has to be at least as strict as what the federal government requires on legal documents. If you want to see proof go to afreeamerican.com and surf through the site and click on any of the videos.


39 posted on 10/28/2008 12:10:00 PM PDT by tophercar
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