Posted on 08/25/2008 2:27:45 PM PDT by Koyaan
Starting with pissant's Inconsistencies abound in FactCheck report on Obama "birth certificate".
Comparing the high resolution Daily Kos scan (as opposed to the scan originally published) with the FactCheck photos, there are obvious and dramatic differences. The scan shows only the thinnest of fold marks at the top and none below, no seal and no signature block.
Actually the seal and some of the bleed through of the signature block can be seen in the scan even without any sort of enhancement.
Oddly, only the June 6, 2007 date stamp is visible.
Incorrect. See above.
Only after extreme manipulations of the Daily Kos image did some graphic specialists managed to squeeze out the blurred and color enhance image of something that just might be a seal or a signature block. But even then, not in the correct size or expected location.
Again, incorrect.
The seal issue had been resolved quite some time ago. It is of the correct size and not in any unusual location.
Here is an animated GIF of the 2008 "Michele COLB" overlaid on the Kos COLB with the two images centered on the seal.
And here's a zoom of just the seal area.
It's worth noting that in the original scan of the Michele COLB, the seal was not visible at all.
In order to make it visible, the raised seal was highlighted by going over it with the broad side of a pencil and the COLB re-scanned, producing this version of the Michele COLB.
Both the Obama COLB and the Michele COLB were printed on newer, thicker paper than the older COLBS such as the DeCosta COLB and the embossed seal being barely visible or not visible at all as in the original Michele COLB scan is not unusual at all.
The signature stamp being in the wrong place is also incorrect. This myth seems to have been started by Polarik in a recent thread here where in his laundry list of supposed inconsistencies between the scanned image and the FactCheck photos he says:
WRONG LOCATION OF SIGNATURE STAMP ON SCAN
And over on TexasDarlin, he'd also said this:
Remember the signature stamp that was barely visible, even under heavy image enhancement? Remember how this amorphous blob was located way off to the left side of the COLB?
Well, now it’s clear as day, right smack dab in the middle with the date stamp riding directly above it. Not only are date stamps never placed right above the signature block on any existing COLBs was on the forged COLB.
Note that he says that date stamps are never placed right above the signature block on any existing COLBs.
Not only is this incorrect, but Polarik knew it was incorrect when he said it.
Here is a scan of the back side of the Michele COLB, clearly showing the date stamp right above the signature stamp.
Polarik knew this to be the case because he's had the same image in his PhotoBucket album for over a month and had previously posted it on his blog. You can see it here.
And instead of being "way off to the left side of the COLB" the signature stamp in the scanned image is exactly where it's located in the photographs, "smack dab in the middle" where Polarik falsely claims it shouldn't be.
Here is an enhanced image of the area of the scan where the signature stamp is located. It's not any sort of high tech enhancement. It's just a simple change in color balance to bring out the blue ink of the date and signature stamps.
And here is the same image with some notations I've added to it.
Within the rectangle A is a concentration of rather indistinct bits of bleed through.
B shows a vertical element.
C shows a rounded element.
D shows another vertical element.
E shows a blotchy rounded element with an open center, followed by another vertical element, and finally a more squarish blob.
And here is an animated GIF which is an overlay fade made using a crop of the date and signature stamp portion of the Michele COLB overlaid on the enhanced section of the Obama COLB.
As you can see, the rectangle of A is where the "I CERTIFY..." block of text is located.
B corresponds to the upper portion of the "l" in Alvin, C to the upper portion of the "O" in Onaka, D to the upper part of the "k" in Onaka, and E to the upper parts of "Ph.D."
Further, there was enough bleed through on the "D" in Ph.D that it's evident even in the FactCheck photos. Look at both image 2 and image 6, just above the "ma" in "prima."
So, to finish up with pissant...
Those stark differences clearly validate the skepticism with which the scan was regarded by Israel Insider and others from the start.
Except for the fact that there are no differences, stark or otherwise. The seal and the signature stamp are both there, they are both the right size, and they are both in expected locations.
Ok, on to Kevmo and his FactCheck.Org's Obama Birth Certificate is dated March 2008
The word certificate may be pre-printed. The certificate number is variable information like Honolulu below. Honolulu is level with the background. But the certificate number doesn’t appear to be.
"Honolulu" isn't quite a fair comparison since it spans less than half the distance that the certificate number does.
But even so, to my eye, the H appears to be a bit closer to the horizontal element just below it than the last U is to the one below it.
In the 151, the 151 are close to the lower horizontal bar in the background. But by the end of the certificate number, the end 41 is far above the horizontal bar. The initial 1’s top seems to be slightly below the horizontal bar above the number. The final 1 seems to go into and overlap the horizontal bar above the number.
Yes.
And if you back away from the tree just a little bit and take a look at the forest, you'll find that that is perfectly consistent with the printing of the document, which is skewed slightly counterclockwise with respect to the background pattern.
Take a look at photo 6.
Bring it up full size and then scroll to the inside, bottom left corner of the image where the "OHSM" text is. There are a pair of horizontal "bars" there. The top one goes through the top of OHSM, the bottom one is just below it, and there's a space between it and the bottom inside edge of the border.
Now follow the matching pairs of horizontal bars as you scroll to the right, over to the inside, bottom right corner of the image.
Not only is the space between the bottom bar and the inside edge of the border gone, but the bottom bar by this point is actually located beneath the border.
And if you look at the original scan of the certificate, you'll find the exact same thing.
And this is not unique to the Obama COLB. If you look at the 2008 Michele COLB in the same fashion, you'll find that the printing on it too has a slight counterclockwise skew with respect to the background pattern.
So there's nothing unusual here at all.
And last but not least, Polarik and his FactCheck's photos of Obama's birth certificate just proved that their posted image of it was forged
Furthermore, the two vertical borders on each side of the FactCheck COLB image were not drawn as long, parallel rectangles, but as divergent ones! When comparing them to real 2007 borders, the border on the left side went from being narrow at the base to being wider at the top. Conversely, the border on the left side went from being wider at the base to being narrower at the top. These disparities show up when the FactCheck COLB is made semi-transparent and laid on top of a genuine 2007 COLB image (as shown below).
This is incorrect. There is no divergence. It only appears as such because the "2007 COLB" image is skewed counterclockwise relative to the FactCheck COLB. You can't do a fair comparison between two images if one of them is skewed.
Since Polarik hasn't made available the original image of the 2007 COLB, I had to use his overlay image.
I rotated it so that the left outside edge of the 2007 COLB's border was as perfectly vertical as I could make it.
Then I pulled in the Kos COLB and did the same thing.
I then overlaid it on the 2007 COLB portion of Poarik's overlay image.
What a difference doing things right makes.
Since I was overlaying an image on an image that already had two images overlaid, I turned the Kos COLB red for better differentiation.
The dark red text is the text of the Obama COLB and shows just how out of whack Polarik had it with respect to the 2007 COLB. The lighter red text is the text of the 2007 COLB. The text matches up perfectly except for fields where there was different text, such as "MALE" versus "FEMALE" for example.
I'm not going to bother with the PD COLB overlay. I've wasted more than enough time on that already and the PD COLB is wholly irrelevant.
So on to the laundry list.
WRONG PATTERN AND DEFINITION OF BORDERS ON SCAN
This is incorrect.
Not only is the pattern identical, but even the little blips within the pattern are identical, as indicated by the arrows in the image above.
As for "definition," I don't know exactly what that's intended to mean. Certainly the scan isn't a very good one. It looks as if the brightness/contrast was jacked around a good bit, and maybe the color balance as well, but there's absolutely nothing to indicate that the scan is not of the document shown in the photos.
WRONG SHAPE AND CONSISTENCY OF BORDERS ON SCAN
Wrong shape? I don't know what this is intended to mean either. The shape of the borders in both the scan and the photos is um... square. As for consistency, again, this is much too vague.
WRONG LOCATION OF SIGNATURE STAMP ON SCAN
This is incorrect. It's in the same location on the scan as it is in the photographs, as I'd already pointed out above.
NEARLY INVISIBLE SIGNATURE STAMP ON SCAN
And it's nearly invisible (in fact a bit more invisible) in the photos compared to the scan. But it's there in both the scan and the photos.
WRONG IMPRESSION OF SIGNATURE STAMP ON SCAN
Don't know what's meant by wrong impression. It's the same signature stamp as seen in the photos as well as on the back of the Michele COLB.
WRONG LOCATION OF DATE STAMP ON PHOTO
Once again, absolutely incorrect. The date stamp is in the exact same location in the photos as it is in the scan.
In the scan, the "J" of "JUN" lays right on the left bar of the vertical pair of bars which are the third pair of vertical bars directly above the word "COURT."
As you can see, the "J" is in the exact same location in the photo.
DATE STAMP TOO FAR FROM BOTTOM OF SEAL ON PHOTO
Yet again incorrect.
It's already been established that the date stamp is in the correct location. And if you go back and look at the seal size animated GIF, you'll see that the bottom of the seal aligns vertically with the very top of "DATE FILED BY REGISTRAR." Which is where it also aligns in the photos (see photo 6).
EMBOSSED SEAL IS MUCH LARGER ON PHOTO
Still incorrect.
In the scan, the top of the seal aligns vertically with the bottom of "MOTHER'S RACE." This is also where it aligns in the photos (again, see photo 6).
EMBOSSED SEAL IS CLEARLY DEFINED ON PHOTO
Yes. Because there was incident lighting on the seal in the photos which cast shadows to more clearly define the embossing. With a scanner, a very bright light source (and the imaging element) is directed straight at the document, virtually eliminating any shadows which would make the embossing more distinct.
And again I remind you that the original scan of the Michele COLB had no discernable embossing in it and it had to be enhanced with some pencil lead. So there's nothing unusual about this.
ONE BARELY VISIBLE FOLD ON SCAN
Yes. But because of the issues mentioned above, that one of the folds wasn't visible in no way means it was never in the original document.
WRONG LOCATION OF LOWER FOLD ON PHOTO
Er, wrong location with respect to what? It was just said that the lower fold wasn't visible in the scan. So how does that make the location of the lower fold in the photos the wrong location?
If we use the Michele COLB as a guide, we see that the lower fold cuts across the top half of the embossed seal, which is also where the lower fold in the photos is located.
"ANY ALTERATIONS..." TOO WIDE ON SCAN
And last but not least, yet another incorrect.
Referring once again to trusty photo 6, we see that the "A" in "ANY" begins right at the left bar in a vertical pair of bars and the "E" in "CERTIFICATE" ends just to the left of the left bar of the twelfth pair of bars later.
And lo and behold, this is just as it is in the scanned image.
I really find this laundry list truly incredible as even a cursory comparison shows so many of them to be flat out incorrect. It seems as though most of them were just made up out of thin air with the expectation that most of those reading them would never bother to question them and just accept them as fact.
k
If a fraudulent birth certificate falls in the forest and everyone has their fingers in their ears, does it make a sound? The press WILL HIDE EVERY OBAMA LIE AND CRIME until after the election. We have to do better.
I’m looking forward to seeing cases against some cases against some cases against Obama’s “Birth Certificate.”
Cue the Barenaked Ladies: "It's all been done (Woo-hoo-hoo) It's all been done (Woo-hoo-hoo) It's all been dooooooooone befoooooooooooore!"
TROLL ALERT -
Koyaan
Since Aug 22, 2008
**Sniff, sniff**...you signed up a few days ago and only post to the Obama birth certificate threads? Oh and apparently, newbie, you aren’t familiar with etiquette on FR. If you discuss another poster, you are supposed to ping them. Go back to the DNC convention.
Can you tell me what the difference written on Hawaiian COLBs “Date Accepted By State Registrar” vs. “Date Filed By Registrar”?
So does your paycheck come from FactCheck.Org, or direct from the Obama campaign?
You have a real head of steam about this issue for a n00b.
I call TROLL on ya.
We decided to leave it live and see where it goes. Thought you all may want a toy if this isn’t a legit defense.
Your only posts, LOL!
So what are you saying? That anyone who posts here who hasn't been registered since 1996 is a troll? Or that there is some prescribed waiting period between the time one registers and the time that they post something? If so, how long is the waiting period?
k
It isn't time, you have to be above Obama's pay grade. It is very low so it shouldn't take you long.
Let’s not worry so much about the COLB and get down to the real issues.
First, there should be a record in Hawaii of Obama being adopted and his name changed to Barry Saetoro and there isn’t, why?
Second, if he was adopted and registered for school in Indonesia, he should have had to become an Indonesian citizen, and not held dual citizenship as an American. Did this happen?
Third, how did he travel to Pakistan under an Indonesian passport if he was not an Indonesian citizen?
These questions are significant for several reasons. When he applied for the Illinois bar, he claimed that he had no previous names or aliases. This would be perjury on a sworn statement.
Here’s my theory. He was probably born in Hawaii, but his adoption and subsequent Indonesian citizenship were never recorded there, so that gave him plausible deniability. He did become an Indonsian citizen, proven by his trip to Pakistan, but never bothered to renounce that singular citizenship.
The problem he faces is that, if he did not renounce his Indonesizn citizenship in front of a dually authorized U. S. representative, he is still an Indonesian citizen, regardless of what his Birth Certificate says. He also swore on a legal document that he had no previous aliases, which is false statement at best, and perhaps perjury.
I’m saying that you are a troll. Period. Full stop. Prove otherwise. We’re all waiting with bated breath . . . .
I’ll vouch for you. I don’t particularly like you, but you are one of the few actually working with the images. When you let your work product do the talking, that’s good. When you put too much spin on it, not so good.
That’s exactly what the lawsuit that Hilldog’s camp is about. This is going to be an intersting show.
BTW, check out our friend(sic)’s blog.
http://koyaan.wordpress.com/
Explain the that the “Factcheck” Obama COLB border edge is not a straight line? Does the Hawaiian Health Department produce less than professional documents?
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