Posted on 07/14/2008 12:42:34 PM PDT by pissant
Wikipedia used to have "Obama, Jr." and now has changed to "Obama II" in the wake of the COLB. (hat tip Larwyn). Over at JOM
Is there anything in Obama's books? I notice that the NYT back in 1990 referred to both father and son as simply "Barack Obama."
An excerpt from a noteworthy 2007 Obama speech:
There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I'm not coming home to Selma, Alabama.
I wonder what news organization was the first to use "Jr." and whether there is any use of "II," by the press or Obama, prior to the COLB.
There's been a good deal of back and forth - a lot of the back though didn't come forth in the comment section of this post: FORENSIC EXPERT: "the [birth] certificate is still a horrible forgery". If, Obama had his original Birth certificate it would look like this (although in his book "Dreams From My Father, Obama wrote:“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school.”)
Mitchell Langbert is getting stonewalled on his FOIA request for a copy of Obama's COLB form the Public Information Office in Hawaii. Please read it all - the letters are there. Hawaii knows the documents are fake so why not release the original - who are they protecting? Whose side are they on?
I have previously requested a copy of Barack Obama's birth certificate. Janice Okubo, Public Information Office of the Communications office of the State of Hawaii, responding on July 3, has chosen to refuse to provide a copy of the birth certificate. This blog consists of three parts. First, I quote Ms. Okubo's letter, dated July 3, 2008, verbatim. Her letter responds to my inquiry under the Freedom of Information Act. Although Ms. Okubo points out that the Freedom of Information applies to the federal government and not the states, most states, including Hawaii, have similar statutes. With respect to birth certificates, though, there is a separate section of the Hawaii Revised Statutes (HRS) that Ms. Okubo cites, HRS § 338-18. The link that Ms. Okubo provides in her hard copy snail mail letter respecting § 338-18 was dead when I tried to use it, but I obtained a copy of HRS § 338-18 from the Lexis-Nexis data base available from New York University's Bobst library. In addition, I obtained information on Hawaii's Uniform Information Practices Act from the State of Hawaii Website. In the second part of this blog, I respond to Ms. Okubo by drafting two letters, one a response to Chiyome Fukino, Director of Health, Ms. Okubo's superior, with a copy to Ms. Okubo and Governor Linda Lingle (R-HI), and also a letter to Barack Obama requesting that he send me a letter authorizing me to represent him in obtaining a copy of his birth certificate in the interest of avoiding accusations of political gamesmanship and manipulation. In the third section I copy the relevant sections from § 338-18 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes for your reference. I also quote from the State of Hawaii Website about its "Uniform Information Law" booklet.
It is evident that, Ms. Okubo's letter notwithstanding, § 338-18 DOES NOT PROHIBIT the State of Hawaii from making Mr. Obama's birth certificate public for three reasons. First, because he is a presidential candidate the public has a vital interest in Mr. Obama's birth certificate. The statute specifically permits divulging birth certificate information to anyone who has a vital interest in the information.
Second, the State of Hawaii Department of Health is granted the authority to fashion its own regulations about providing birth certificate information, and given the national importance of Mr. Obama's birth certificate, the question needs to be asked why the Hawaii Health Department has fashioned rules that contradict its own public law § 338-18 and its own Open Records Law.
Third, although the statute includes a list of persons who are entitled to obtain a copy of the birth certificate, it does not anywhere indicate that the list is exhaustive or exclusive. If the drafters of § 338-18 had meant the list to be exhaustive and exclusive they could have said so, but they did not. Therefore, Ms. Okubo misconstrues the law she claims to enforce.
AJ called out Techdude, expert in the field of forensic digital forgery examination in a ridiculously titled post: How 9-11 Helped Cause The Obama Birth Certificate Silliness. The thing I don't understand is why doesn't AJ wait for this expert's full report which we have emphatically made clear would be released shortly. But no, AJ digs bottom, keeps digging.
Anyway, things got even crazier as the fringe kept grasping to save their conspiracy theory from the dustbin of history. When a poster at Kos took the image of the COLB and doctored it using MacPaint, the junior sleuths were at it again claiming this doctored image was actually the source of the Kos image (and a companion one on the Obama campaign site). I debunked that fantasy in the links above, and a forensic document expert at Atlas Shrugs confirmed my conclusions, while simultaneously creating the next myth of a clear forgery. The mock-up, known as the Opendna image, is of much lower resolution and cannot be the source of the other two images.
You can go to the last two posts above to see my conclusions, but I found the last theory at Atlas Shrugs to verge on the stupid. Sorry, but as the options for keeping the myth alive died out, the 'logic' to find one more way to salvage it went well into the bizarre. Techdude, the computer forensic expert at Atlas Shrugs, noted the glaringly obvious fact that a Sep 2002 COLB for one Ms Decosta was dramatically different from the Jun 2007 COLB for Barrack Obama. And they are different, but the reason why is quite interesting.
And our digital forensic expert in residence (Techdude) teaches A J the ABCs in this lesson. HIS FULL REPORT WILL FOLLOW IN A DAY OR SO:
Let's not resort to name calling, folks.. AJ is correct on several of his assumptions such as the OpenDNA images came after the KOS image and that there was a change in the COLB certificates between the Decosta and the KOS versions. However I have been using a half dozen separate Hawaiian COLBs issued over a 6 year period all the way through 2008 - some hi-res digital scans and some sitting on my desk (real ones) as comparison specimens. And once again to summarize - none of them match the security border of the KOS image.
Unlike AJ I just happened to have been lucky enough to have had more than just the Decosta image to work with so that I am able to see the progression of the document modifications through time. (I also called Hawaii and talked to them about it) But f rom AJ's point of view his observation would be correct having not seen a 2006, other 2007's, or 2008 COLBs. I also realize that there has been some confusion and I am not basing my analysis on the border itself but on the analysis of the actual overall modifications made to the KOS image. The border just happened to be what caught my attention in the first place. Long story short the KOS image is made up of several discrete layers (changes) that can be viewed by using advanced image analysis techniques. [geek alert] Any recent changes made to a JPEG are for lack of a better word "recorded" by the individual 8x8 pixel cells that make up the JPEG. By measuring the differences in error rates and performing wavelet and PCA analysis you can actually show the individual modifications. Mix that with basic observational analysis and metadata extraction and you can form a more complete picture. In the case at hand the KOS COLB was not just simply scanned into Photoshop and a box placed over the certificate number and then exported for the web. The original scan has been saved multiple times, the text and the borders have both been modified, and the background image (the paper) may be the only thing still "real" in the image. Unfortunately there is no way to know what the original state of the document was (you can not bring things back from the dead at least I can’t) but it is not in the same state as the original scan. The best I can do is show you what changes were made with an estimate as to order in which they were modified. Why they were made and who made them is not my concern. While AJ and I may poke fun at each other it is not in a mean spirited way. And on a serious note I would like to get AJ’s take on the analysis techniques I have been using. A whitepaper presentation by Dr. Neal Krawtz on which some of my methods and algorithms are based on can be found here and one by Jessica Fridrich et al here. So everyone keep your shirts on - I am writing up the full report and it will be done as soon as I have the time with all of the explicit details and lots of geeky stuff tossed in for good measure. I still need to finish capturing screenshots, resize them a bit, and then put together a section of the report so you can all do the same experiments at home using some freely available analysis tools.
But on a side note if AJ or anyone else has any questions for me feel free to post them. I will answer anything you ask to the best of my abilities but you might want to wait a few more days so you can read the entire report - so far just explaining the methodology and the science behind them has put it over a dozen typed pages (I obviously also need to edit them down a bit). It may have to be posted in parts at this rate.
P.S. - For giggles I also used the same analysis method against McCains posted COLB...it is not modified (are you shocked?) and tossed it into the report for good measure. I also added in a few known modified images so you can see how the process works.
The plot thickens and Google gets into the act. bvw asked in the comment section why Google puledl all or nearly all Obama and Decosta birth cert images from it's image search results over the weekend? Swordmaker researched it -- Google has scrubbed their images of Obama's birth certificate. For those of you that captured the image DO NOT DELETE THEM:
I have discovered that as of this evening (not sure when it occurred) that Google Image search no longer has ANY of the disputed Barack Obama Birth Certificate images in its index. Articles are still present but after searching over 980 image returned by the search Barack Obama "Birth Certificate" not one single version, blank, filled in, or otherwise, was in the index. Google has made them disappear. Articles on Obama's BC are still there but images that can be used to check the pro or con of the arguments about authenticity are now not to be found. In addition, a couple of quite similar images are linked to sites where they simply do not, nor never did exist. One in particular appears the same as the BHO Birth Certificate that Google claims is from FreeRepublic.com. The image is actually an Hawaiian Marriage Certificate and is linked to a comment about the Birth Certificates that never had an image—nor is there any marriage certificate in any of the 333 comments on the FR thread. Somebody is making the birth certificate images disappear. If you can't trust the librarian, how can you find the books in the library—or even if the books exist? Somebody is playing games.
Vanity: Google buries disputed Barack Obama Birth Certificates - they are gone from index
And then of course, there are the other birth certificates in in this curious tale of the charlatan's COLB:....a birth certificate from the Kenyan city of Mombasa registering the birth of Barack Obama Jr. on August 4, 1961.
June 5, 2008 -Obama is not eligible to be President
"WMR's intelligence sources in Africa are reporting that amid the post-election turmoil wracking Kenya, a three-person team (including a possible Korean-American woman) arrived in Nairobi last week and began asking questions about Barack Obama's father, the late Barack Obama, Sr. The team also inquired about the Senator Obama Secondary School in Nyangoma-Kogelo in northwestern Kenya, the area where Obama's father, an ethnic Luo, hailed and where his grandmother, Sarah Ogwel Onyango, still lives."
Why not? What's to fear?
It now appears that this same team traveled to Mombasa and dug up a certificate registering the birth of Barack Obama Jr. to his father, a Kenyan citizen, and mother, an American citizen. The GOP hopes to make the claim that Senator Obama is not eligible to become President of the United States because he was born in a foreign country, or, at the very least, plant the seed in the voters' minds that Obama is a foreigner even if the charge is false.
GOP operatives are already trying to make political hay out of the federal conviction on June 4 of Chicago Democratic fundraiser Tony Rezko on 16 24 corruption charges. The Republicans are attempting to show that Rezko had close links to Obama although the probe was more closely connected to the administration of Illinois Democratic Governor Rod Blagojevich From the Wayne Madsen Reort (a left wing blog no less)
And just to muck things up a bit, just to give you an indication of just what kind of shady invidual we are dealing with:
he could be CITIZEN OF INDONESIA!!.....
Furthermore, it is common practice in many US states to edit such secondary certificates to account for name-changes, sex-changes (ha, that would be a good story!), updated info (such as a newly identified father etc.). In other words, if he has changed his name, he could request that this ID reflect that change.
This just raises more doubts about Obama. What on Earth is his problem?
How is it possible that not one reporter has asked him if he is a citizen of any other country?
While Obama has shared his extensive obsessions with Africa and his skin color, no-one has paid attention to reports that he was listed as an Indonesian citizen at school, and that he traveled on an Indonesian passport. Is their any validity to these reports? You'd think inquiring minds would want to know. But no. I guess that would just be expressing far too much curiosity about a virtual unknown who wants to be the leader of the most powerful nation on Earth.
btw, excellent write up, keep the pressure on ...
Smokescreen/Red Herring alert. Obama will use the illegitimacy angle to draw attention from the fact that his BC is a forgery and that he is not a natural-born citizen and is ineligible to be president.
Barack Obama panics: Andy Martin’s book forces Obama to admit he is illegitimate
PR-Inside ^ | June 14, 2008 | Andy Martin
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2045077/posts
Posted on Monday, July 14, 2008 3:26:56 AM by cdchik123
Bump Mr. Pissant, Sir.
The proper designation is now Obama 2.0 rev B. Revs change frequently, so make sure your Obama.app is up to date! Remember, Obama 2.0 rev B is incompatible with rev A. Polarity on the main audio output channels has been reversed. Attempting to reference files output from rev A in the new rev B may result in 'poor phrasing'.
I thought it had already been shown that the Selma date did not match up with Hussein’s DOB.
We will nail his butt to the wall on both points. The commie POS is not going to get away with any of this nonsense.
I had to puzzle it out.
I’m only following this one peripherally.
He is being quoted here to further a point about the use of Junior (Jr.).
Go to the website to read the article, as I did a piss poor job of formatting this piece to make it easy to understand when they are quoting other sources.
The Audacity of Seeking the Truth! Put some ice on it, Barry!
Thanks for the link. Obama in panic?
If Obama wins or loses the election, this issue will go beyond November if not resolved.
BTW, that class picture is Barack Obama Sr.'s graduating class from Hawaii.
Why is this posted under Pets and Animals?
>>>I don’t think the baby momma and baby daddy were married, thus making a bastard baby baby.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2045077/posts
Barack Obama panics: Andy Martin’s book forces Obama to admit he is illegitimate
Excerpt:
“Jesse Jackson does not have to perform surgery. Obama is a ‘girly man’ who used his wife to ooze out the truth about his lies and his parents’ lies. What kind of a commander-in-chief would the cowardly Obama be? Who would follow a leader into battle that was afraid to admit his parents were not married?
“Barack Obama, Senior, and Anne Dunham never married. Obama knows this fact. This is also why he keeps his white grandmother a virtual prisoner; she knows too, and she won’t lie.
“Through the past several decades Obama has pretended he ‘didn’t know’ the facts about his illegitimate birth. He thought he could get away with the big lie. And he almost did get away with it. But we kept digging. And we are still digging. We have more to come.
“We plan two weeks of news conferences and other Obama-related disclosures, all timed to coincide with release of my book. The book was mailed to some Washington media last Friday, and Monday afternoon it will be delivered in Midtown to Fox News, MSNBC and others.
>>>If Obama was the antichrist, he might not have a birth certificate, right? :-P
Ther certification would be stamped to his head. But I ain’t gettin that close to find out :P
;)
I don’t know think he’s being “stonewalled”. Most states have very strict rules regarding access to birth certificates less than 75 or even 100 years old. These rules are especially pertinent in today’s world of identity theft.
bump
Animal Farm
this piece of satire reminds us of one cynical but true observation by Winston Churchill. “A five minute conversation with the average voter is the best argument against democracy.”
The cover says there are SO MANY voters in this country who are SO STUPID, that is who they would elect.
The depth of division in this country has to be far greater than we realize for something like that to happen.
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