Posted on 06/13/2008 6:17:23 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
The FUnniest thing about this DUmmie THREAD titled, "Obama's astrological chart," isn't so much the subject matter as the fact that it was posted in the DUmmie Presidential forum. Normally such astrological analysis is posted in their Astrology forum but I guess enough DUmmies take astrology so seriously that this was allowed in the much busier Presidential forum. So let us now watch the DUmmies take the divining properties of chunks of mud and rock whirling through the ether in complete seriousness while the commentary of your humble correspondent, waiting for a prognostication of the election via analyzing chicken entrails, is in the [barackets]:
Obama's astrological chart
[Where the moon rises in Uranus.]
It's like a road map and a good astrologer can read what to watch out for and the best times to take advantages of oportunities to name a couple things. And, it's only as good as the astrologer one has.
[An astrologer who is a certified graduate of Kook U.]
There's a forum established for discussing this faith ("Spirituality") without "ridicule" or critical examination, but GD:P isn't it.
[No, no. General Discussion: Presidential is the PERFECT place for this astrology thread.]
Obama is a Leo, great sign for leadership
[I once knew a Jason Leo-pold.]
I've got a bucket of chicken guts that proves this chart wrong.
[HERETIC!!!]
Apparently the astrological community has reached some level of concensus about the meaning of chiron because a lot of astrologers have been including it in their charts lately. Some astrologers do include other minor bodies in the solar system in their charts in attemp to derive the meaning if any. Most bodies in the solar system haven't been known long enough for astrologers to have settled on a meaning yet.
[I'm guessing that a meeting of the "astrological community" would look like a New Age version of the bar scene in Star Wars.]
Chiron, from what I've been told... represents the "Wounded Healer" archtype.
[Silly me. All this time I thought it represented the LIGHTWORKER "archtype."]
Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto have interpretations that are very similar to Mercury, Venus, and Mars respectively. The "ancients" didn't know those planets existed, and Saturn was considered to be the outermost planet -- hence several of its interpretations (restriction, boundaries, limitations, karma). When people started interpreting the outer planets, it seems like they interpreted them to be of similar energies to the inner planets, but "a higher octave" in the words of an astrology buff I know.
[So astrological predictions were fined tuned to "a higher octave" by Uranus?]
Barack has Mars and Pluto in his seventh house. The seventh house is relationships and partnerships. Mars usually is associated with anger and passion, Pluto with sex, death, rebirth, transformation, psychotherapy, "intense" energy. Mars and Pluto are both in Virgo, but the sign that an outer planet is in is generally not as important as the house. Virgo energy is hard-working, perfectionism.
[So what house does Barack keep Uranus in?]
In my experience, I've used astrology over the last 40 years as a relationship tool. The personality traits may seem generalized, but I find them true to form. Put a bunch of us Cancers together and you'll hear a lot of, "can I get you anything?" "are you comfortable?" along with tea and sympathy.
HOROSCOPES are a whole other ball game. What you see in the newspaper is ENTERTAINMENT. You can't "tell the future" with astrology.
[A DUmmie sets us straight. Horoscopes are fake but astrology is the real deal.]
I believe in astrology to some extent... from my own personal studies of over 25 years. Big changes in life can be predicted by the aspects of Saturn. It takes @ 28 years to orbit your chart. It is a stern professor. Mars is a planet of energy. You may procrastinate and put off decisions but when Mars is in the right aspect, you will act on your decisions. Venus is a planet of emotions and love. Your eye will wander when Venus is in your Sun sign. Mercury is the planet of communications, which at the present is in retrograde in Gemini, and will go forward around the 20th of this month. You can write and communicate better under good aspects of Mercury.
[You only believe in astrology "to some extent?" It sounds like you've swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.]
Since I've been appying astrology to my life since the early '80's, it's been very helpful in analyzing why I did certain things in my past and how to change things I didn't like about myself. It's really been invaluble to me but I know it's obviously not for everyone.
[Apparently it didn't help you change your incredible gullibility.]
That would be interesting! I need to find out when and what time and where he was born
[Why don't you check Obama's "birth certificate" now online? It has been authenticated by Dan Rather.]
Are there any peer-reviewed scientific journals verifying the mechanism by which astrology functions? If there were, most if not all of the people who are criticizing this thread would come around.
[Hey, just check your own DUmmie Astrology forum for verifying the mechanism by which astrology functions.]
I have heard some astrologers refer to Chiron as the missing piece of the puzzle, and I will it admit that it's inclusion in my chart points to a significant event in my childhood that was not indicated anywhere else in the chart.
[Elron (Hubbard) pointed to significant events in Tom Cruise's childhood.]
My astrologer told me last week that they had a new birth time on Senator Obama and that he was actually Aquarius Rising and not Scorpio Rising as first thought. She seemed to indicate that Leo with Aquarius Rising was more fortuitous for Senator Obama's work. That would also change the houses that the planets fall in his chart.
[Did your astrology also tell you that they had a new birth "certificate" on Senator Obama?]
This woman is a true authority and she was excited about him being Aquarius Rising. She thought that the power structure was going to try everything possible to stop him. And she really got an ominous tone on that point. But she felt that We, The People would say enough. We are moving from a Saturn influence to a Mercury phase.
[While skipping Uranus?]
In Chinese astrology 1961 would be the year of the Ox.
[In Hebrew astrology 1961 would be the year of the Lox.]
Venus in Cancer is also obvious -- I recall earlier discussions here about how Obama tends to exhibit more "feminine" characteristics in his approach to politics than Hillary Clinton does. He really DOES care -- and in the 5th house (the natural home of Leo), that care and nurturing extends to the larger group and his place in that group as a responsible leader giving of himself for the greater good.
[Even more than the Breck Girl?]
And until the materialists can scientifically explain what existed BEFORE the "Big Bang" then I submit that we are on equal grounds in terms of defining "reality".
[NOTHING existed BEFORE the "Big Bang" because time itself didn't exist. BTW, I found the Nova program last night about Einstein's discoveries about Time, Matter, and Energy to be much more interesting than whether the moon is rising in Uranus.]
There is no "before" the big bang. Space-time comes to a singularity at that particular point. There is not before, above, to the left of, or anything of the sort, because those dimensions exist within and are defined by the universe.
[I'm still wrestling with the concept that EVERYTHING in the universe began in something much much smaller than an atom. Much more fascinating than astrology.]
I've also heard you can learn a lot about a person by reading the residue of their butt candles.
[Ben Burch dreams of candles rising in Uranus.]
It’s really hilarious to see them babbling on about Chiron, a rock that weighs about 3 times the amount as the displacement of USS Nimitz, but somehow manages to change their lives from 12.6 AUs away.
But if I believe Jesus is Lord (and I do) I’m a bizarre primitive who has surrendered his brain at the door of his church. Suuuuurrrrrrre.
If you had asked the average Soviet citizen in the early Fifties if Uncle Joe Stalin cared for them, they would have said "Da!"
Someday scientists are going to rename that planet and end those silly jokes forever. They'll name it "Urectum."
It’s worse than that. Their charts assume that the Sun and planets revolve around the Earth.
Once you’re using a chart based on the Earth being the center of the solar system, why quibble about whether Pluto is a planet?
You owe me a new keyboard.
Has CC been promoted to "The Site That Cannot Be Named" status on Skin's Island yet?
Alas, other than Pedro Picasso, I don't think any primitive knows we exist.
Primitives live in such a small world, remember, rarely venturing off the Skins's island.
By the way, even though there’s the DUmpster over there, for bonfires from Skins’s island, and the DUmping Ground, for notorious primitives, bonfires are scattered in the other forums, too, such as the automotive forum or the cooking forum, in those cases where a primitive bonfire is appropriate for the subject.
I always thought it a bad idea for any web-site to isolate the primitives into a single forum, because the purpose of most decent and civilized web-sites is to illuminate the primitives.
However, the primitives being narcissists, go to such places and look for only themselves, ignoring all of the other enlightening stuff at the web-site.
By scattering the bonfires around, the primitives have to hunt for themselves, and while looking, might come across something useful to them.
All for the Greater Service of Humanity.
Roscoe, you magnificent bastard!
Seems I tried the automotive and cooking forums and couldn't get in because I was not a donating member.
That’s what I thought! I emailed the moderator and wondered why I could have been banned...got no answer. I may be assuming too much, but seems to me there are millions of democrats who believe there is a creator! Certainly the whacko liberals in my family all go to church. Where we disagree is usually on the issue dear to our hearts and their pocketbooks. They believe in big government solutions, because they worked in government.... We don’t. The federal bureaucracy is a huge and growing leviathan that only wants to keep working and growing. But I didn’t say anything like that over there at DU. I’m aware, and had already read you can’t even say you will abstain from voting, or say as a Clinton supporter you will go with McCain. That’s just SIN over there. There can be NO dissent on any issue. I wonder where they find all the words to keep agreeing with this stuff. But now that I understand that message count is so important, they must all be trying really hard to find some innane remark just to raise their count. They are irrational.
There’s all sorts of forums over there, but usually the general public pays attention only to “General Discussions,” whatever the now-defunct “Primaries” is now called, and the “Lounge.”
There’s “DU Groups” and “DU Topics;” I have no idea what differentiates a group from a topic.
When regretfully departing the old home and settling in a new one, I had this hope that the groups and forums with be rich with material, but it’s a mixed bag.
The automotive forum and the deaf and hard-of-hearing forum, for example, one gets attacked by killer cobwebs when he goes in.
The “gun owners” forum is a bunch of primitives who own firearms, but because they’re scared of the other primitives, these guys are wimps in expressing opinions.
The election reform forum is nearly wholly dominated by the usual clique and claque, many with whom we all became familiar three years ago this time.
I never really paid much attention to the mental health forum; as Doug’s ex-wife is so rarely there offering her expertise on the subject (instead usually being out in “General Discussions” offering her non-expertise on things way above her head), that forum’s kind of, well, depressing.
The most interesting forums seem to be the ones dealing with rural life, frugal living, and cooking.
I am truly saddened, greatly disheartened, that my fellow alum Skins is so exclusive; while Skins’s island has a forum for the deaf and hard-of-hearing, it has no forum for blind primitives, or for non-English-speaking primitives, or for illiterate primitives.
My fellow alum Skins usually does not answer e-mails from mausoleumed ones; if he did that, he would be doing nothing but writing e-mails all day long.
I haven't checked the latest numbers yet, but ostensibly Skins's island has circa 116,000 members, but of which only circa 5,000 are actually active. Probably more than half, maybe as much as two-thirds, of that 116,000 are mausoleumed, and that's a lot of e-mails to answer.
Concern for mausoleumed members is not a big issue with Skins, because it has nothing at all to do with the original purpose of Skins's island.
Skins's island was set up in late January 2001, financed by the Democrat Leadership Council.
Alphonse Capote Gore having recently failed to steal Florida, mainstream Democrats and liberals diagnosed that part of the problem (losing elections) was with the fringe elements shooting off their mouths, turning off decent and civilized people.
Skins's island was set up to identify, attract, and sequester those who make Democrats and liberals look bad, keeping them out of the public eye.
This is why my fellow alum Skins seems to mausoleumize rational people, and lets the irrational ones run amok. Rational people are supposed to be out spreading the message; the primitives are supposed to be kept in the attic, out of sight.
Imagine the damage (and there has been some damage) if Pedro Picasso or Doug's ex-wife or Ms. Ed or the TomInTib primitive, for examples, were running all over the internet, making Democrats and liberals look bad. Skins's island keeps them safely segregated, under control, and nearly invisible to decent and civilized people.
Skins's island is not meant to be a purposeful political-discussion web-site; it's meant to be a sort of segregated ward like what one finds in some hospitals, nothing more than that.
Many times, my fellow alum gets flak from this side for fleecing the primitives, but I beg to differ. The primitives are so intractable that Skins earns every cent he makes, and probably deserves to get ten times as much, from the primitives, for all the trouble and hassle they cause him.
That with Obama, the sun rises and sets in Uranus....
I picture a hollow cone-shaped candle, similar to a megaphone, lighting the expelled fumes of Uranus....
As opposed to DUmmies, who are now classified as "freakoids".
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