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Ben Stein Blows it on Fox--ID is Religion (vanity)
Fox News | 04/20/2008 | Soliton

Posted on 04/20/2008 6:09:13 PM PDT by Soliton

Ben Stein was just on Fox News with Geraldo. He was asked If ID versus Evolution was a "left, right thing". He responded,"No, It's an atheist versus a non-believer thing". Stein inadvertantly admitted that ID is a religious argument, not science!


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To: Soliton

In other words, you’re a liberal in favor of censorship and have appointed yourself as all knowing.

No thanks.

My hope is that one day liberalism will once again be defeated in this country and the likes of liberal activist judges hi-jacking the legal system to thwart the will of the people will be defeated once an for all. I think the SCOTUS will someday be forced to face the assault against Christian culture in this country once and for all.

The CLEAR majority of people believe that ID is a legitimate scientific THEORY, not some liberal judge...

(Much like most people think abortion on demand is wrong also...)

I also think fascist liberals should be forced to pay for private schools, not the other way around; and leave us SANE people alone!

BTW, it IS their right, just because you can’t see it doesn’t make it not so!

( AGAIN :( )


461 posted on 04/23/2008 9:39:08 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: Soliton

WHAT a leap!

Can you show me in the New Testament teachings where any such thing might be responsible for Hitler’s actions?


462 posted on 04/23/2008 9:41:16 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther

Why New Testament? Isn’t Jesus the God of the Old Testament too, or do you deny the Trinity.


463 posted on 04/23/2008 10:04:51 PM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To: tpanther
In other words, you’re a liberal in favor of censorship and have appointed yourself as all knowing.

No, I am a very conservative conservative. I don't believe in censorship. Let fools speak to prove they are fools. However, ID is creationism and is not science and therefore can not be taught in school because of a Supreme Court ruling Edwards versus Aquillard. It is against the law that protects freedom of religion. Anyone should ne fired because they have broken the law and jeapordize the institution as well as science itself.

464 posted on 04/23/2008 10:09:49 PM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To: Soliton
No, I am a very conservative conservative.

LOL! Conservatives don't use "because a judge says so" to justify their arguments.

465 posted on 04/23/2008 10:21:43 PM PDT by Hacksaw (I support the San Fran tiger.)
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To: Hacksaw
LOL! Conservatives don't use "because a judge says so" to justify their arguments.

Are you a pre-teen girl? "LOL" is Hannah Montana language. My argument was factually correct. I thought that conservatives SUPPORTED the Constitution. If you don't like the Constitution, move to a country without one so you can pass off your ancient mythology as science.

466 posted on 04/23/2008 10:29:26 PM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To: Soliton; Hacksaw

"Are you a pre-teen girl? "LOL" is Hannah Montana language. My argument was factually correct. I thought that conservatives SUPPORTED the Constitution. If you don't like the Constitution, move to a country without one so you can pass off your ancient mythology as science."


Oh do pray tell, just exactly how the great Soliton would have such intimate knowledge of such a thing? Ahhh Hmm?

Oh great saje, please do tell!

467 posted on 04/23/2008 10:43:07 PM PDT by Fichori (Truth is non-negotiable.)
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To: Fichori
Oh do pray tell, just exactly how the great Soliton would have such intimate knowledge of such a thing? Ahhh Hmm? Oh great saje, please do tell!

What the saje(sic)are you referring to? Do you not understand that conservatives support the Constitution?

468 posted on 04/23/2008 10:47:48 PM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To: Soliton
"What the saje(sic)are you referring to? Do you not understand that conservatives support the Constitution?"

I was referring only to the bold emphasis in my reply.


In an all to serious world, you have reminded my to laugh.

For that I am truly grateful.
469 posted on 04/23/2008 10:52:38 PM PDT by Fichori (Truth is non-negotiable.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

I am much older than Billy Joe.


470 posted on 04/23/2008 11:02:49 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (I)
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To: Soliton
Hitler attempted this through breeding. This was based on the work of Gregor Mendel, a Christian Priest.

Yes he did, but Mendel weeded his pea garden. Hitler's 'weeding out' process was somewhat different than Greg's.

471 posted on 04/23/2008 11:10:07 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (I)
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To: Soliton

Well, the OLD Testament refers to the time before Christ, and the NEW Testament is that Christian part of the Bible that begins with Christ, explains Christianty and His teachings.

Again, there simply aren’t any Christian teachings supporting all the evils often attributed to Christians in New Testament scripture. Hitler...and now Mendel apparently.

I’ve heard it all before...the Crusades, raping the American Indian...ALL such terrible terrible things “in the name of Christianity...and yet, there’s simply ZERO guidance from Christ directing people to such things. Which means it was hardly Christian on the first place!

I’ve seen people actually proclaim Hitler to be a Christian based merely on the fact that the man quoted scripture at his infamous Nuremburg rallies.

Or just because he may have said he was while trying to impress someone at the time.

As far as the Old Testament, the only mention of Jesus is the prophecies of His coming.

You seem to be as knowledgeable about Christianity about as much as you are about science! :)


472 posted on 04/23/2008 11:39:43 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: Soliton

Indeed let fools speak...only this is a complete about face for you all of a sudden isn’t it?!

You’ve been all but screaming to high heaven about Ben Stein’s exposure of the liberal agenda, supporting the continual squashing of such free speech in public schools when it comes to science, even offering and re-offering the incessant liberal idea of liberal censorship of all things Christian in public screwels, doing your level best to demonize ID and creationism.

As far as the rest of your screed, I think you’ve made a fantastic case that you’re a classic liberal in every sense of the word!

BTW the EVIDENCE is clear: the overwhelming majority of Christians are doing everything in their power to stop the insane EROSION of Christian culture in this country, from schools to government to ALL things public; and NOT trying to somehow make this a theocracy or proselytize everyone as liberals so often claim.

Santa Claus being banned...crosses in town logos being banned...Christian songs being banned...ID being banned, if you don’t agree, then all you can do is BAN and/or hijack the legal system!

The insane liberal lunacy “to protect freedom of religion” to “protect science” through censorship and THEN call it conservative is some snake oil you might sell at the Daily Kos, but you’ll FAIL miserably with that in here!


473 posted on 04/23/2008 11:51:42 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: Soliton

You’ve wandererd way too far from the Daily Kos!

I get it, you’re sore at God AND Rush for operation chaos!

Tell Arianna and Van Den Hoevel you gave it your very best shot, eh! LOL


474 posted on 04/23/2008 11:54:29 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: Texas Songwriter
"Yes he did, but Mendel weeded his pea garden. Hitler's 'weeding out' process was somewhat different than Greg's."

Let us never forget the cost of Hitler's scientific experiments, nor the cost of weeding him out.

His struggle bacame to him, the path to destruction.

It is my fear that his struggle is slowly becoming our struggle.

I hope we, as a country, make a better choice than he did.
475 posted on 04/24/2008 12:03:19 AM PDT by Fichori (Truth is non-negotiable.)
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To: Texas Songwriter

Another thought:

Since prayer has been banished from public schools, have you noticed that US students’ math rankings have gone down? That could have some other cause, but I wonder....


476 posted on 04/24/2008 12:21:13 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

I used to wonder...but it’s pretty clear to me now...it’s not just school, it’s all public (and all too often private) life.

When I hear someone longing for the good ole days a liberal comes along trying to spoil it AND assert that while things were good for ME, they weren’t so great for everyone else!

And yet, I often talk to senior citizens of ALL races, men AND women, who all long for the days when you could leave your front door unlocked, at least while you ran to the store anyway, when people were less materialistic, and basically just more wholesome and satisified and less stressed out PERIOD.

Less litigious and NOT so insanely politically correct!

SO called progressive secularism and liberal PC lunacy has only made things MUCH worse!

NOW God is being removed from not only schools, government etc, but ALL things public!

Liberals are sick sick people!


477 posted on 04/24/2008 12:31:02 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther

Just because I told you to stop spamming my email doesn’t mean I want to talk to you in the forum. You are a brick wall. A ball of superstition wrapped in mythology. Do what you will, but this is the last time I will res[ond to you.


478 posted on 04/24/2008 12:38:02 AM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To: tpanther
Well, the OLD Testament refers to the time before Christ, and the NEW Testament is that Christian part of the Bible that begins with Christ, explains Christianty and His teachings.

You need to study your own religion. There isn't supposed to be "a time before Crist". Christ was supposedly there during creation. In fact, in the original hebrew, Genesis says that the gods (plural, "elohim") created the heavens and the earth. This caused much gastric distress to early monotheists until they invented the trinity.

479 posted on 04/24/2008 12:45:49 AM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To: Soliton
>>ID is creationism and is not science and therefore can not be taught in school because of a Supreme Court ruling Edwards versus Aquillard.<<

I think you mean Edwards v. Aguillard.

But I believe the Contitution does not allow schools to teach that "Theistic Evolution," (which means what one would think that the term "Intelligent Design" appears to mean) is false. I believe that for a school to teach that science disproves, or makes virtually impossible, the existence of God, would be unconstitutional.

I am sure the ACLU would disagree, but I think that even teaching that Theistic Evolution is one valid point of view (not the only valid point of view) should not be unconstitutional. After all, some scientists do believe in God, and that does not necessarily make them less "scientific." In fact, they may be better scientists because of their beliefs.

480 posted on 04/24/2008 2:54:20 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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