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Would McCain beat Obama or Hillary?
Mac's Mind ^ | Feb. 08, 2008

Posted on 02/08/2008 8:24:54 AM PST by jdm

Patrick Ruffini says McCain can ram the hell out of Obama at the polls on November 2nd.

“‘I’m beginning to think Obama might be the easier candidate for McCain to beat. Why? Because there could be no clearer contrast on the Commander-in-Chief test.”

Actually I think Mickey Mouse could be Obama on the COC test, but that’s not the point. Those who are supporting McCain are - after selective amnesia on his record - doing so only because they see him beating Hillary or Obama in November.

Well duh! Of course that the task, but the fact remains that right now with Democrats out voting Republicans 2-1 and raising more enthusiasm and money, it’s not likely McCain at this point beats either, regardless of the wishful thinking.

Look, we’re all concerned with the GWOT and judges and taxes and other conservative issues. I’ve pointed out, as have people like Bob Novak have also pointed out, that McCain offers no guarantee that he would select totally Alito judges, and in fact would most likely find consensus nominees (O’Connor, Souter).

Again, time for that gut check, where are your principals. Those who had to drink a gallon of Pepto Bismal every time they thought of McCain six months ago are singing his praises today. As I said yesterday, all that shows is a lack of intestinal fortitude worthy of the flip-flop charge hurled at John Kerry four years ago.

Standing on principals instead of personality politics, is what the Reagan Revolution is all about.

UPDATE: David Limabugh to critics of the critics of McCain - “Chill out!

“McCain isn’t winning a majority of Republicans, much less conservative ones, and is relying heavily on Democrat crossovers and independents, not to mention a little help from his friends Mike Huckabee and the mainstream media.

It’s easy for moderates to argue that critics of moderates are extreme. That’s what moderates always say. They have been complaining about conservatism since I was wearing a “Goldwater for President” T-shirt.

They’ve said for years that the only way Republicans can win elections is to move to the center. Their opinion is not based on convincing data but wishful thinking. History is not their friend. Republicans win big with conservative ideas, provided they have inspiring candidates. Moderate ideas dilute the message and deflate the movement, zapping it of its verve and enthusiasm.”

Amen, and I’ll have move on this “takeover” later.


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1 posted on 02/08/2008 8:25:01 AM PST by jdm
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To: jdm

No.


2 posted on 02/08/2008 8:25:48 AM PST by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: jdm

I read right here that it was only Giuliani who could beat them.


3 posted on 02/08/2008 8:27:49 AM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: jdm

This “Crossover” vote nonsense for McCain is not backed up by facts and needs to stop being regurgitated.

You can’t have RECORD DEMOCRATIC TURNOUTS in states, and at the same time claiming that the dems are showing up and voting as Republicans, especially when Republican turn out in the primaries has been lower than democratic turnout.

This “crossover” claim is an absolute lie, and I don’t give a damn what radio talk show host pinhead is telling you otherwise, its just not backed up by the facts.


4 posted on 02/08/2008 8:28:17 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: jdm

Hillrod, perhaps
Obamamania, nope.


5 posted on 02/08/2008 8:28:21 AM PST by NeoCaveman (other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the theater)
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To: jdm

Would McCain beat Obama or Hillary?

NO!!!!!!!!!


6 posted on 02/08/2008 8:28:47 AM PST by sweetiepiezer
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To: jdm

McCain wants to unite the country. He needs to because what he really wants to do is reform entitlements before the baby boomers retire.


7 posted on 02/08/2008 8:29:05 AM PST by ari-freedom (Pragmatism: the 4th leg of conservatism.)
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To: jdm

Nope, he doesn’t have a chance.

Even without all of his many and ugly skeletons being played out in the Press, he still does not have a change.

Add in the coming revelations concerning his affairs, his cheating on his wife who remained faithful to him while he was in prison, the re-hashing of the Keating-5 scandal, his treatment of POW/MIA groups and just the hint of corraborating with the VietCong and Russians while he was POW himself and he is toast ladies and gentlemen!


8 posted on 02/08/2008 8:30:35 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: jdm

George Bush had a pretty nice popularity rating going into his 2 elections and he won both times by the skin of his teeth. Remember the hanging chads? Remember the Ohio recount? I have a hard time seeing how McCain can possibly tip the scale towards the GOP and come out the winner when his popularity is far worse than Bush even during Bush’s darkest days.


9 posted on 02/08/2008 8:32:33 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: jdm
No way that McCain wins.

The Republicans are divided, dispirited and demoralized,,,while the Democrats are energized, passionate and united.

Since McCain cannot unite and energize the Party--it will be ugly this November.

However, the damage gets even worse as conservatives at the local, state and congressional levels will be permanently damaged as conservatives sit home (especially in the close races). It will not be pretty.

10 posted on 02/08/2008 8:35:51 AM PST by stockstrader
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To: jdm

McCain can’t win.

On the one hand. He will never convert the 10% of the conservative base that he needs the most. They see him as collaborating with the Democrats and principal will stand in the way.

On the other hand, the media which has been holding him up will return to the Democrats and McCain will be ripped to shreds.

Conservatives can stand against him and send a meaningful message as he losses or they can hold their nose and validate the Republican conservative sell out, as he losses.

On the one hand we at least make a step toward reclaiming the party. On the other we continue down the pathetic spriral we are in.


11 posted on 02/08/2008 8:36:00 AM PST by CMAC51
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To: jdm

In a word, No.


12 posted on 02/08/2008 8:36:42 AM PST by sport
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To: mainerforglobalwarming

What mainer said.

All of the crossover votes that went for Juan in the primaries will go to Hildabeast in November.


13 posted on 02/08/2008 8:37:11 AM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: jdm

How would we notice the difference?


14 posted on 02/08/2008 8:37:42 AM PST by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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My husband and I have been having this argument. Personally I believe McCain will be skewered by the MSM within the next month. He’ll be portrayed as the old white guy, weak on immigration, weak on taxes, they’ll trot out the Keating Scandel and before it’s over he’ll blow his temper and give them more fun. They’ll even show his temper through events like when he told Senator Cornyn from TX to “F*** O**” over immigration.

If the nominee is Hillary, sexism will be involved. If the nominee is Obama, it’ll be race cards that get played. The MSM has chosen the President. Election over.


15 posted on 02/08/2008 8:37:49 AM PST by Ptaz (Take Personal Responsibility--it's not fun, but it's the right thing to do.)
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To: NavyCanDo

I agree. There is no way an ‘over 70’, sarcastic and mean-spirited (at least towards conservatives) ‘so-called moderate’ can possibly unite and energize the Party.


16 posted on 02/08/2008 8:37:57 AM PST by stockstrader
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To: ari-freedom
McCain wants to unite the country. He needs to because what he really wants to do is reform entitlements before the baby boomers retire.

That explains why he has been so up front in the fight against entitlements over the years.

What? Oh he wasn't? Sorry. My bad.

17 posted on 02/08/2008 8:38:53 AM PST by CMAC51
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To: CMAC51

go back to sleep
http://www.concordcoalition.org/images/event-transcript/04110patriotdinnertranscript.htm


18 posted on 02/08/2008 8:40:06 AM PST by ari-freedom (Pragmatism: the 4th leg of conservatism.)
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To: NeoCaveman
Hillrod, perhaps Obamamania, nope.

Yep. Hillary is much more hated, giving McCain a real chance.

19 posted on 02/08/2008 8:43:26 AM PST by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: jdm
What choice do we have? McNut will, for the next months to November, be trying to make us think he will rule like a conservative. Fat chance, but the only chance. (Just puked) Little Napoleon just doesn’t realize what he got himself into. The Presidency is not a dictator and with the partial staff of holdovers from the Clintoon years, he will go bananas. One of President Bush greatest failures is to clean out the RATs in his Administration. To make matters worse McNut never understood a responsibility to AZ conservatives that elected him. The last 7 years demonstrates that.

We lost a great administrator. A man who has vision. A man that has run defunct organizations and brought them to life. He reworked a sad very left State as best he could being that RATs and a liberal Court were nearly impossible to work with.

Go ahead and lets hear how bad Romney was. Get it on, but let me remind you Romney haters, the vast majority on FR voted, at one time, 69 to about 6 for Romney near the final days.

20 posted on 02/08/2008 8:46:09 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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