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To: Vanbasten

respectfully, i feel that’s a cop out.

Your argument is in essence:

I’m not a single issue voter, but on the single issue im judging by i disagree.

On the economy:

I agree in fiscal conservatism, but only as a motto, never in reality, plus he can’t actually effect any change.

My response:

I’m not going to debate you on the issue of war. I will say i was for both afghanistan and iraq, and that i believe our interests in iraq are best served by an orderly withdraw over the next year. I believe we won roughly the moment Saddam’s neck snapped, and are suffering now from not properly defining the conditions of victory.

I fully support our troops, having a brother that is a navy seal and deployed in iraq currently, and a long tradition of military service in my family. I’m not an anti-american blame america first loon.

So much power has been coopted by GW to prosecute the war that it’s frightning. I’m a long time conservative, I doubt seriously Bush is going to do anything that’s seriously going to effect an average americans ability to function on a daily basis.

But the reality is in the next year or so, someone else is going to be holding the reins and no later than 8 years after that, someone else. Will they be trustworthy with this accumulated power?

Do you trust Hillary to use the powers of the patriot act in defense of the country, or will it be more likely a tool against the american people? I know where i fall on that spectrum, and people like me will be a target for her administration.

Do you support Hillary having the right to use warrantless wiretaps on american citizens? I damn sure don’t.

We are a military force unlike any in the history of mankind, in our power and force projection. We don’t need to slowly become a police state internally to prosecute an effective war. Especially when we have more dangerous domestic threats to our liberty.(as i believe hillary, and the national ID and the implant a chip like the mark of the beast crowd is.)

Make no mistake, if the republicans nominate a pro-war president, the democrats will win. Rudy will not beat hillary. Guiliani is no conservative, he’s pro abortion and pro-gun control, he’s more liberal than clinton ever was.

Paul is not only consistent with conservative values, he can win. All it takes is for self labeled “conservatives” to vote their values, and listen to what the candidates really stand for.

Paul’s not a pacifist and im damn sure not either, you don’t have to be to support him.

On the economy:

Will Paul eliminate the IRS? I hope he can, but it’s not likely. What is likely is that the senate and congress will be controlled by democrats, and a democrat president on top of that will mean a sad day for the united states and her people.

Paul can veto the hell out of the ignorant bills likely to come from the legislature, and he will. They don’t call him Dr No for nothing.

One thing he’ll do is deconstruct all of the executive powers Bush has accumulated over his terms, like it or not, you’ll thank him the day that a democrat president is in office.

He will also have a huge sway over monetary policy, and he can effect a very positive change on our economic situation solely through vetoing out of control spending and limiting real inflation.

The dollar is crashing as i type this. China is funding our M.E. expedition, and they just announced they were going to diversify their holdings, which means they’re about to start buying euros. People keep talking about “acting like a superpower”, we are, we’re acting like Rome in it’s last days, “as the currency goes so goes the empire”, i believe that was Plebius.

We are making the same mistakes of the soviets, every day moves us closer to socialism, our currency is on the ropes, and we are spending blood and treasure in other countries to impose our vision of government.

We are better than that. We used to be, and we should remain so.


297 posted on 11/08/2007 11:12:39 AM PST by Dreddnafious
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To: Dreddnafious

First, no matter how hard you attempt to twist in the wind, I refuse to allow you to incorrectly state my opinion.

I am not judging Paul on only one issue. There are issues I agree with him and those I disagree. It isn’t reserved to national security.

What is particularly irritating is that you insult me by saying my conservatism isn’t authentic. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Contrary to the rhetoric you Paulbearers spout, HE IS NOT THE ONLY CONSERVATIVE IN THE RACE.

Would he be better than any democrat, well, of course. That’s not really the issue.

I found it fascinating that Guy Fawkes day was chosen as the date for your fundraiser. Why choose a British Terrorist’s Day? I find that very telling, whether it was tongue in cheek or not.


307 posted on 11/08/2007 12:16:06 PM PST by Vanbasten
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To: Dreddnafious
China is funding our M.E. expedition, and they just announced they were going to diversify their holdings, which means they’re about to start buying euros.

Actually they said specifically they wouldn't be buying euros instead and will seek a variety of hotter performing currencies, apparently in the growth sectors in Asia. We'll see which ones they buy or whether Bush has a carrot or stick big enough to keep them buying dollars. After today's drop, I can't imagine them being interested.
359 posted on 11/08/2007 4:59:47 PM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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