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Are Ron Paul Supporters Real?
Blogger News Network ^ | November 7, 2007

Posted on 11/07/2007 5:54:10 AM PST by theothercheek

Second-tier presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) pulled off a first-rate fundraising coup, netting $4.3 million in online contributions from 38,000 donors in a single day, bringing his total haul to $7.3 million in 4Q 2007. No other Republican comes close to Paul’s 24-hour feat, but Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) has him beat at $6.2 million.

Paul supporters flashed their cash in honor of Guy Fawkes Day, which commemorates the would-be assassin of England’s King James I on Nov. 5, 1605. Guy Fawkes was also the inspiration the novel-turned-movie "V for Vendetta," in which the lead character takes on a fascist government in England. In several GOP presidential debates, the libertarian Paul has all-but called George W. Bush a fascist – taking issue with the Administration’s policies on domestic spying, for instance.

So does this mean Paul has a shot at the nomination? In a word: Nah. The Stiletto agrees with WaPo political blogger Chris Cillizza’s: take:

Paul was widely seen as a political gadlfy when he entered the race, but through skill, luck or a little of both he has built himself into an Internet phenomenon. …

It's not yet clear that Paul's online national community can deliver actual votes for him. … While Paul is at the center of a national movement, it won't help him in Iowa or New Hampshire if thousands of people from California or Illinois are backing him. …

There has always been a pot of money that exists for unconventional candidates who believe the system is fundamentally broken and are only tangentially affiliated with a party. …

[H]is money and his message make him a actor in New Hampshire ... he remains a decided longshot ... the excitement and attention he is drawing would seem to be a perfect lead up to a third party candidacy if and when he loses the Republican nomination.

The Houston Chronicle reports that Jonathan Bydlak, the Paul campaign’s fundraising director posted a message on the candidate's Web site that the ka-ching means just one thing: “Ron Paul is for real." Maybe. But it appears his supporters are real (second item).

Note: The Stiletto writes about politics and other stuff at The Stiletto Blog.


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To: A CA Guy

I have a feeling you’re not very well read man, if you believe that.(respectfully) Popular sentiment among the dems is that a third party paul candidacy destroys their chances of winning.

Their conspiracy is that Paul is going to go third party and is being funded by the bush family neocons. They feel that Pauls antiwar, anti CFR, anti-patriot act, will pull a decent chunk of thier base.

Now i personally think that paul is running because he wants to be president, but my point is that its not nearly as clear cut as you pretend it is.


261 posted on 11/07/2007 10:21:44 PM PST by Dreddnafious
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To: Dreddnafious

Libertarians would all vote Republican while the Democrats vote for Ron Paul?

Who are you going to make believe that one my friend?


262 posted on 11/07/2007 10:25:13 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Hatband
He ain’t got no CASH.

And apparetly you "ain't got no Grammar book".
263 posted on 11/07/2007 10:31:15 PM PST by no dems (Don't hate me and call me names because you can't reply to my posts intelligently.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Our overseas enemies are working hard to make sure that a Republican does not win in 2008.

Excuse me, but G. W. Bush and the Republican Party has been working hard since 2004 to make sure that a Republican does not win in 2008.
264 posted on 11/07/2007 10:34:51 PM PST by no dems (Don't hate me and call me names because you can't reply to my posts intelligently.)
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To: TexasRedeye

Don’t “fix” it. ANSWER it... But if you have no answer, you gotta “fix” it, right???


265 posted on 11/07/2007 10:47:13 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: A CA Guy
anti war, single issue voters would vote for paul, that defines more democrats than republicans. I'm on solid ground here. David frum, of national review agrees with me.
Yesterday, I posted an item casting doubts on the significance of Ron Paul's one-day $4 million fundraising haul. I suggested that his achievement is comparable to Ralph Nader's in 2000, and much less impressive than Howard Dean's in 2004. I went on to suggest that the main effect of Ron Paul's campaign, if continued to the end, would be to take votes from Hillary Clinton and thus help a Republican ticket headed by Rudy Giuliani.

Link

It's not a convenient explanation, it's an ongoing debate between dems and repubs.
266 posted on 11/07/2007 11:01:01 PM PST by Dreddnafious
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To: no dems

Do you mean, ‘Do I have a grammar book’? Well, yes I do. Looks as though a minor writing technique was just a little over your head. I’ll try to dumb it down for you.


267 posted on 11/08/2007 12:26:39 AM PST by Hatband
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To: elizabetty

If Hildebeast wins the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of the GOP for, among many other failings, being unable or unwilling to field a legitimate conservative candidate.


268 posted on 11/08/2007 12:31:07 AM PST by Proud2BAmerican
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To: mvpel
It’s so discouraging man...to think that the best the conservative party has to offer is hovering here...

And they’re still stuck on the nameplate that the candidates have below their names.

Guiliani is no conservative...neither are any of the other middle of the roaders in the race.

We’re done. I’m just gonna vote for Hillary and sit back with “I told you so” on my answering machine. I'm tired of being a sheepdog. I say if they're stupid enough to court the wolves, let them get eaten.

269 posted on 11/08/2007 12:37:49 AM PST by 1_Inch_Group (Country Before Party)
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To: Hatband
****Do you mean, ‘Do I have a grammar book’? Well, yes I do. Looks as though a minor writing technique was just a little over your head. I’ll try to dumb it down for you.****

I always get a kick out of these type things. Since my writing and spelling skills are not the best, I have had my share of such posts. Usually, it comes back to bite them in the arse. I think 99.9%, of the people posting here, recognized the you wrote that way deliberately to make a funny type point.

The best one I remember was when a person made a big point correcting my spelling of a certain word. However, I had copied the spelling of the word from one of her previous posts because I knew I was bad at spelling. She was a bit embarrassed when I pointed that out to the forum.

OTOH, I have seen people debate a person, who’s spelling and grammar made me look like Shakespeare, strictly on his ideas. Not a single person corrected or even made any comments about his horrible writing skills.

In general, when people stoop to the tactic of correcting posts in that way, they can’t debate you with intelligent arguments.

270 posted on 11/08/2007 5:30:58 AM PST by jmeagan (Our last chance to change the direction of the country -- Ron Paul)
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To: jmeagan
I guess you have been out of the loop for a bit...

You have missed President Ahmadinejad and his “Israel should be wiped off the map” road show...

I guess you have missed out on the stonings of young women in the very “progressive” Muslim culture of theirs.

Most of all I guess you have missed the Iranian arms and personnel that have been reported in Iraq, keeling OUR men and women.

Of course in Ron Paul world that’s ok, they are just defending themselves...

If you want to go visit your go Iranian buddies and sing songs and pass out daisies knock yourself out, be honest it would not surprise me...

271 posted on 11/08/2007 6:25:23 AM PST by ejonesie22 (Real voters in real voting booths will elect FDT.)
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To: Dreddnafious
Bob the drug lord would be out of work immediately, and violent drug crimes would immediately become equal to violent cigarette crimes.

Smugglers and Thieves Await Passage of California's Prop. 86 Cigarette Tax Hike

Beginning in October 2000, three East County men went on a six-month crime spree, robbing at least 20 gas stations and convenience stores in the San Diego area. Armed with semi-automatic weapons, they burst in, assaulted clerks and customers, and cleaned the stores out of cigarettes.

Why did the thieves take cigarettes and not the Twinkies or the razor blades or just the cash?

The answer, of course, is taxes. Federal and state cigarette tax hikes have turned a pack of cigarettes into a gold mine for criminals, spawning a massive black market that makes it easy for thieves to quickly unload stolen cigarettes for cash.

The San Diego group's luck ran out with an arrest in April 2001, but similar gangs across California and smugglers all over the world are eagerly awaiting a Yes on Proposition 86, which would double, triple or quadruple their profit margins.

In addition to encouraging theft, high cigarette taxes have led to staggering levels of cigarette smuggling into the state and casual tax evasion by consumers. The Board of Equalization has the tough assignment of enforcing cigarette taxes, and it admits that about 300 million untaxed packs are sold in California each year despite requiring elaborately printed tax stamps to be affixed to each pack.

When deciding whether to vote Yes on Proposition 86 to raise the state's cigarette tax from 87 cents to $3.47, the nation's highest rate, Californians should weigh the severe law enforcement problems that come with being the preferred destination of cigarette smugglers.

...continued at link...

272 posted on 11/08/2007 6:30:49 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: George W. Bush
Ok you win, ONE out of how many?

As far as the rest, the marque and reprisal bit has done in these pages again and again.

If mercenaries would work it would have been tried. there is a$50 Million bounty on the guys head.

There are also tactical considerations that maybe in play as well. Again this is 21st century warfare.

273 posted on 11/08/2007 6:33:21 AM PST by ejonesie22 (Real voters in real voting booths will elect FDT.)
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To: Petronski

Well there is the foaming at the mouth...


274 posted on 11/08/2007 6:34:33 AM PST by ejonesie22 (Real voters in real voting booths will elect FDT.)
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To: Dreddnafious

“If you’re a single issue voter, and your single issue is the WOT then i totally get why you can’t be for the guy.”

It’s not about being a single issue voter. It’s about priorities. Fiscally, Paul has good ideas THAT I GUARANTEE WILL NEVER PASS. The presidency isn’t a dictatorship.

On the other hand, we have the most important issue in this campaign that Paul is clearly on the wrong side of. And even worse...he believes we should pull out of every country where we have bases. That is irresponsible and why he will fail.


275 posted on 11/08/2007 6:42:02 AM PST by Vanbasten
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To: ejonesie22
Ok you win, ONE out of how many?

All of them. You're just too proud to admit it. It's the mark of a small mind. I keep hoping you'll grow as a human being and find the courage to admit your errors.

That's me, always hoping for the best from others regardless of the trail of tears and disappointments along the way.

There are also tactical considerations that maybe in play as well. Again this is 21st century warfare.

I'm sure that invoking your little totem of "21st century warfare" makes you feel all warm and snuggly as you cower under your bed to re-read some tiresome corny Tom Clancy novel. In fact, the only real innovation of 21st century warfare (Rumsfeld's force structuring and basing notions) is a complete and utter bust. Our new drone capabilities are a fulfillment of programs going back to the twentieth and in fact were delayed by Air Force opposition who really don't like planes without pilots in them. For obvious reasons.

The limited success we've presently had in Iraq in pacification relies upon the sound military experience of the 20th and previous centuries. Reinforcing your troops by committing your reserves to achieve pacification against guerillas goes back centuries actually, however you might wish to utter lofty phrases about the "21st century".

What a shame we had to lose or cripple so many soldiers before the '06 election forced Rumsfeld and his failed "21st century" policies out of office. History will not be kind to this episode, largely because it failed so obviously and no corrective military action was taken until after a political crisis. And that is pretty damning, no matter who is writing the history.
276 posted on 11/08/2007 6:47:53 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: oneamericanvoice

70% of independents and 35% of Republicans agree with him on his non-interventionist view of Iraq. Does that look like math that adds up to a win for Guiliani?


277 posted on 11/08/2007 6:48:33 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: George W. Bush
Where’d your goldbugger thread go? LOL!
278 posted on 11/08/2007 6:58:18 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (What came first, the bad math or the goldbuggery?)
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To: George W. Bush
Ok, when you pull the Paulinati crap, I am done.

We’ll keep you safe since you are a citizen and all that.

279 posted on 11/08/2007 7:06:10 AM PST by ejonesie22 (Real voters in real voting booths will elect FDT.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Where’d your goldbugger thread go? LOL!

Oh, one way or another, it will be back. I will find a major news media source for the story or possibly create one (only difficult, not impossible). I think our next moneybomb is now almost guaranteed to raise over $10M. I'm not sure if it will be for our 11/11 moneybomb or if the goldbugs want to go with 12/15 or 12/16, both good historical dates. Ron Paul will then have $20M or more in cash-on-hand and will have the largest campaign warchest in the GOP field (and no debt).

We'll see who's guffawing then, Laughing Boy.
280 posted on 11/08/2007 7:34:55 AM PST by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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