Posted on 06/10/2007 7:24:29 PM PDT by Reaganesque
AMEN!!
I loathe that dinky little keypad!
A small mouse for me!
If ya can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with...
HMmm...
And WE get in trouble for telling LDS members what THEY believe!
Indeed!
See #220!
“Unbiased? Well, are you aware that jesus stated that man comes to the Father but by Him? God IS biased. So no, I cannot offer to you an unbiased source.”
>>>> Did God PERSONALLY tell you what His truth is, or are you relying on writings and traditions that have been translated re-translated, fiddled with, edited, manipulated and corrupted for centuries?
I might add here that truth by its very nature is biased, but I have found that biased opinion very seldom is truth.
“But if you’re of a mind to hear the biased truth, I’ll gladly share the Gospel of Jesus Christ with you and you can go find a church you feel fulfills your needs as God lays them upon your heart, as in ‘work out your own salvation in fear and trembling’ (as in live it before men knowing you will on occasion fail and be very embarassed by the failure but you will find God never leaves you or foresakes you once you’re in His family).
>>>> Very generous of you and nicely written, but irrelevant. This thread is about Mormons and their beliefs, not me and mine.
“Mormonism claims that ALL Christian witness following the death of the last Apostle and prior to the advent of Joe Smith has been apostasy (roughly 1500 years contradicting what Jesus told His Apostles regarding the gates of Hell not winnign against The Church).”
>>>> That’s not exactly correct, but exactly when the apostasy began and why are not important at this point in the discussion — accuracy is.
“You will not see me shrink from exposing the Mormonism doctrines if for no other reason than that proclamation at the start of the smithianty religion. But going further, I seek to share the Gospel rather than a church. Are you interested?”
>>>> Nope. I have listened to enough misinformation in my life. If you are going to expose something, it behooves you to get it right. and leave out clever little snide trash like “smitianity”, that only cheapens your argument.
They’re clean all right. Haven’t worn them since 1980 when I was pregnant with #3. They never touched the ground or even other dirty clothing....they are THAT holy.
I was delighted to find a maternity pair I wore, since I threw out all my other garments years ago. This pair I found is “old style” one piece and extra large to facilitate the big belly of pregnancy, but I have the evidence now for all I say containing markings and style, etc.
It’s infuriating when these LDS posters claim I don’t know what I’m talking about or that I’m lying.
Why don’t you just STFU if you can’t contribute something worth discussing, you sickening clod?
That's because their stuff CAN'T stand scrutiny, and that's the only plays left in their book!
(BTW, my wife brought me home some new shorts just last night because my others were getting to near to perfection.
They were that holey!
LOL
re;294
Excellent article. What you wanna bet Assy won’t read it?
The last pargraph is particularly appropriate here.
Save all the old holey underwear. On Halloween you can go as the Holy Ghost.
Morning all!
re; 212
Once again — this is not about what I believe or my opinions on the matter — which I have not stated. It is about YOUR opinion. You debunkers name Mormons heretics. I merely asked by whose definition, and why you think that definition to be the final truth in the matter.
Please stay on subject or drop it.
Good luck on getting an answer to that one. That's one of the little details that just get ignored in the debate here. I asked a similar question and the only answer I got was "crickets chirping".
Hey, Binger! Did you save any of yours? We could go trick-or-treating together. Pay Lay Ale!!
Here is a definition of heresy from Dictionary.com:
her•e•sy –noun, plural -sies.
1. opinion or doctrine at variance with the orthodox or accepted doctrine, esp. of a church or religious system.
2. the maintaining of such an opinion or doctrine.
3. Roman Catholic Church. the willful and persistent rejection of any article of faith by a baptized member of the church.
4. any belief or theory that is strongly at variance with established beliefs, customs, etc.
I simply pointed out what I find to be a glaring inconsistency in the Morman view of god. In doing so, I have used Morman sources - Moroni 8:18; Mormon 9:9-10. I could add “For behold, God knowing all things, being from everlasting to everlasting, behold, he sent angels to minister unto the children of men, to make manifest concerning the coming of Christ; and in Christ there should come every good thing.” Moroni 7: 22.
The Book of Mormon shows an unchanging God. The King Follett Discourse shows a changing god. “In order to understand the subject of the dead for the consolation of those who mourn for the loss of their friends, it is necessary they should understand the character and being of God; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. [That he was not is an idea] incomprehensible to some. But it is the simple and first principle of the gospel-to know for a certainty the character of God, that we may converse with him as one man with another. God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did, and I will show it from the Bible. –KFD http://mldb.byu.edu/follett.htm
Joseph Smith describes an evolving and changing god, which is inconsistent with the Morman documents and the also with the Bible. This is heresy against the BOM and the Bible.
I merely asked by whose definition, and why you think that definition to be the final truth in the matter.
These are not my opinions. These are direct quotes from Mormon documents. By any definition of heresy, it is with Joseph Smith and the religion he founded.
Boldly stated. What kind of Ale do you prefer? I'm a Budweiser and Carlsberg guy.
I’m more of a white zinfandel kind of girl. But if you’re going to Pay for Ale, Budweiser or Carlsberg would be good enough! Who knows, it might even get you the “Lay” part.
Pay Lay Ale!
re: 235
“Here is a definition of heresy from Dictionary.com:
her•e•sy –noun, plural -sies.
1. opinion or doctrine at variance with the orthodox or accepted doctrine, esp. of a church or religious system.
2. the maintaining of such an opinion or doctrine.
3. Roman Catholic Church. the willful and persistent rejection of any article of faith by a baptized member of the church.
4. any belief or theory that is strongly at variance with established beliefs, customs, etc.
>>>> So once upon a time folks who believed the earth was round, or that it was not the center of the universe, or that blood circulated through the body were heretics (the Church even burned a bunch of them). Does that mean that those folks were wrong? Therefore, it would seem that calling someone a heretic is kinda silly and an empty opinion based on little more than arrogant declarations of alleged truths.
“I simply pointed out what I find to be a glaring inconsistency in the Morman view of god.”
>>>> And I will point out another source of doxens of inconsistencies — the Holy Bible. Does that make ALL christian sects out to be heretics?
Think on it?
No problem.
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