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To: Richard Kimball; lizol; Michael81Dus; sergey1973; twinself; Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit; ...
Postmodernism and the preoccupation with sex also did an incredible amount of damage. One of the interesting things is that the more preoccupied a culture becomes with sex, the fewer children they have. They abort, or use birth control, and sex is recreation, not procreation. Ultimately, the Post-Modernists believe in nothing. This is Europe's primary problem, now. They don't believe in anything, and don't even have the energy to reproduce.

Not that long ago I had a funny discussion with a Mormon girl and boy from the US who came here to southern Germany to "evangelize" me. They even learned German to find new lambs for their church. Being brainwashed with their (to me) strange ideology and religion they were unable to understand that nearly nobody (including me) was really interested into their message. Two strange birds. Probably you will find yourself in the same situation like them if you argue with other Europeans on your basis and your conviction.

Yup. Most of us Europeans like our way of sex and we do not want to adopt your personal lifestlye. Since you as a person can not represent America as a whole I also can not represent my continent of course. But let me say that much: Yes I for my part like sex and I think that lust is a gift of God that has to be apprechiated. Of course it is up to you to reduce your sexual pleasure to a mechanical act to multiply that is alternated with devout prayers. But let me say you this - I feel deep compassion for your poor partner. Interestingly the most religious countries in Europe like Poland have the lowest reproduction rate with 1.25 kids/woman while in secular France each average woman still has 1.84 kids.

Source:https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html

Even America has a horrible reproduction rate if we take white females alone. Your population in Texas has a great benefit from all those pretty and young Mexican muchachas and their latino boyfriends that overflow your country. Maybe it is not political correct to say that, but it are for sure not the settled and educated people in America that have the most children.

And -last but not least- talking about religion. Even in the most secular European areas like eastern Germany or the Czech Republic you find a rich religious life among those who believe. As far as I know you Americans have such areas too. You simply have to go to New York. Besides there are areas (southern Germany, Italy, Poland, Switzerland, Austria etc. etc. etc.) who have equal much or more worshippers like you in Texas. It is simply unfair to deny that Europeans believe. Maybe we are no members of your Westboro Baptist Church or other "holy" American churches, but we have a strong belief and are members of the catholic church or protestant European churches. You are well advised to excuse yourself.

Whenever I think of Europe and Post-Modernism, I think of Andy Warhol(yes, I know he's from New York).

Yes. He was a real American. Nevertheless you do not understand anything about art. Art is more than a reduced primitivism that produces cute pictures. If you like such than you have to go to North Korea.

The Europeans became pacifists, because war was too terrible for them to contemplate.

Oh well - My granddad shot down quite a few US-bombers (and also machines from the UK) over Germany in late WWII with his Focke-Wulf and left a real mountain of American corpses. After the war, when he found out that he fought for the wrong side he was filled with bitter sorrow over the mess he had arranged (although he did it in purely defensive missions). The life of a fallen young man will never come back and all who have a heart beating in their chest will feel the mourning and the tears of the poor mothers. No. We Europeans are not all pacifists. - But we think twice before we start a war.

Post Scriptum:

This whole threat here is extremely moronic.

97 posted on 02/17/2007 11:24:14 PM PST by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum!)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
Yawn. I see this thing posted here for 6th time at least.
99 posted on 02/18/2007 1:47:03 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Atlantic Bridge
First of all, you obviously put a lot of thought into your post. Thanks for that. I'm impressed that you thought enough of mine to put that much effort into a reply.

Not that long ago I had a funny discussion with a Mormon girl and boy from the US who came here to southern Germany to "evangelize" me. They even learned German to find new lambs for their church. Being brainwashed with their (to me) strange ideology and religion they were unable to understand that nearly nobody (including me) was really interested into their message. Two strange birds. Probably you will find yourself in the same situation like them if you argue with other Europeans on your basis and your conviction.

I wasn't evangelizing you, it was an observation. I don't argue with people about their faith, or try to convert someone who isn't looking for an an answer. Usually, if I go on a mission trip, I go to a third world country. I also don't tell people how to run their sex lives. As to the Mexicans overrunning Texas, yeah, and some of them married into my family, and I'm part Indian. I've got three kids and my brother has five, so we're doing our part, as best we can. I also find your post curious, because I rechecked my initial post, and I said NOTHING about religion, yet your response to me is full of references to Mormonism, Westboro Baptist Church, etc. and indicating that I'm trying to force some religious dogma on you. While faith is part of it, I was thinking more about what I perceive as a general European indifference to children. I saw a European ad, for example, that showed a young boy running around making problems in a store, tearing things up, stepping on people's feet, etc., and at the end, it was an advertisment for birth control. It was supposed to be cute and funny, but I think it's indicative of the European attitude towards children. I would agree with you that this is a problem in some parts of the US, also. In San Francisco, for example, I've read several articles where the author laments there are no children playing on the playscapes there. They don't want to have kids, they just want them playing in the background when they walk by (probably ethnically diverse kids, kind of like an ad for Microsoft, but with little kids instead of adults).

Nevertheless you do not understand anything about art. Art is more than a reduced primitivism that produces cute pictures. If you like such than you have to go to North Korea.

Well, my degree is in Art, but you may be right. I suppose I always lumped Warhol into the European thought process because I consider him the ideological heir of Marcel Duchamp. Most of the things after Dada, the artists were seriously trying to make Art. IMHO, Warhol was the same type of con man, who kind of threw something out there and dared people not to call it Art. Nevertheless, most of my art instructors despaired over my dislike of the "great" artists of the twentieth century. My personal favorites are Kay Nielson, Andrew Wyeth, Howard Pyle, Frank Frazetta, ancient Greek sculpture, Norman Rockwell, Carl Barks (the Disney artist that did the Uncle Scrooge comics), Michelangelo, Gianlorenzo Bernini, and the photographers Margaret Bourke-White, Weegee and Vincent LaForet. There are others, of course, but the Abstract Expressionists, Modernists, Pop artists and the shock artists leave me cold. Most of my instructors pronounced me hopelessly middle class, so you could be right about me knowing nothing about art. However, I know what I like, and I have studied enough to pick up on the underlying ideologies of the various genres. I also do like primitivism, if it's real and not faked. Patchwork quilts, American folk art, some South American folk art, yeah, I can dig that. Never been to Korea, so couldn't comment on the work you mention.

Oh well - My granddad shot down quite a few US-bombers (and also machines from the UK) over Germany in late WWII with his Focke-Wulf and left a real mountain of American corpses.

You are aware the Americans had an answer for that:


116 posted on 02/18/2007 9:29:19 AM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Atlantic Bridge

Being brainwashed with their (to me) strange ideology and religion they were unable to understand that nearly nobody (including me) was really interested into their message.

I'm not Mormon but a typical evangelical Christian in the Billy Graham mold - just like most of the rest of Asian Christians are, but I can't stop reminding myself of the following Bible verses when I see what you wrote above:

Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely? - 2 Corinthians 11:7

Yup. Most of us Europeans like our way of sex and we do not want to adopt your personal lifestlye. Since you as a person can not represent America as a whole I also can not represent my continent of course. But let me say that much: Yes I for my part like sex and I think that lust is a gift of God that has to be apprechiated.

But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. - Ephesians 5:3-5

166 posted on 02/27/2007 12:56:03 AM PST by NZerFromHK (The US Founding is what makes Britain and USA separated by much more than a common language.)
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