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Colin Powell criticizes spying program, says they could have gotten warrants

Posted on 12/23/2005 4:14:20 PM PST by EveningStar

"My own judgment is that - it didn't seem to me, anyway, that it would have been that hard to go and get the warrants. And even in the case of an emergency, you go and do it. The law provides for that. And three days later, you let the court know what you have done, and deal with it that way."


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KEYWORDS: colinpowell; nsa; patriotleak; powell; spying
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To: teenyelliott

You have a nice profile page.


61 posted on 12/23/2005 5:22:05 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: bnelson44

Makes me wonder why this "opinon" wasn't expressed four years ago? Surely we aren't to believe the former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff was kept in the dark?


62 posted on 12/23/2005 5:22:06 PM PST by DakotaRed
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To: bnelson44
Perhaps he should learn to mumble and walk alone...
63 posted on 12/23/2005 5:22:38 PM PST by pointsal
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To: bnelson44
Yes and he has the right to remain silent.
64 posted on 12/23/2005 5:24:14 PM PST by razorback-bert
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To: EveningStar
“My own judgment is that — it didn’t seem to me, anyway, that it would have been that hard to go and get the warrants [through FISA]. And even in the case of an emergency, you go and do it [begin surveillance]. The law provides for that. And three days later, you let the court know what you have done, and deal with it that way.”

This criticism and question from Powell would seem to be reasonable to me. Many of the Beavis and Buttheads who post here now will want to lynch him though.

65 posted on 12/23/2005 5:29:34 PM PST by KDD (A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.)
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To: Scottyboy568

I would hope that someone is listening in on all international calls and they are vetted for terriorist threats or collusion. But what I hear is that when you listen in on a conversation it has to be cleared with a judge. So how many thousands, possibly hundereds of thousands of calls do you think comes from abroad?

So every conversation has to be put before a judge? It just doesn't make any sense. If a conversation was to be used for additional intel or for prosecution then I would say, yes, get a judge to approve a warrent. But there's just no way you can approve warrents for ever call coming into the US.

WHY, isn't there more outrage about the Gorlick "wall". It seems to me there is more outrage against gathering intelligence than there is against terrorism.

Look, I live in a small town that will probably never be hit by terrorist. I wish the government would just stay out of my life. But they don't. Is it so hard to expect to gov't to keep track of the bad guys as it keeps track of me? I mean, you probably scanned your credit card at Wal-mart today. How hard do you think the Gov't would have finding that out?

At the very least, the gov't is trying to protect its citizens. They are being proactive. Would that your local police would do the same.

If it were up to me the gov't would protect the borders (which I belive they're doing by monitoring incoming calls), provide for the defense of the nation, honor the constitution, and stay the hell out of my life. But if I'm talking to a known terriorist then I want my gov't to know. Hey, I know people in the KKK. You bet the gov't knows what they are up to. Every KKK rally anywhere is monitored, and you don't see people up in arms over that. So please be consistent. Or not..











66 posted on 12/23/2005 5:31:47 PM PST by saleman
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To: EveningStar

Thanks, and Merry Christmas to you!


67 posted on 12/23/2005 5:36:52 PM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: KDD

68 posted on 12/23/2005 5:40:11 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: peyton randolph

Powell is entitled to his opinion. Powell would never do or say anything that would hurt this country. He spent too many years defending it. I respect Powell's opinion.


69 posted on 12/23/2005 5:45:11 PM PST by DaGman
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To: DaGman
Powell is entitled to his opinion. Powell would never do or say anything that would hurt this country.

Like Brent Snowcroft, Powell's allegiance was to Bush the Elder. Both have gone out of their way to sabotage W since the Iraq War was launched. Powell is ticked off that he doesn't go down in history as the great peacemaker...and he wants to ensure that Condi doesn't eclipse him as SoS.

70 posted on 12/23/2005 5:48:37 PM PST by peyton randolph (<a href="http://clinton.senate.gov/">shrew</a>)
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To: EveningStar

Powell can state whatever he desires, nonsensical or not. He is a private citizen and can no longer damage national security. Recall that as Chairman, JCS, he opposed the idea of taking Saddam down--contrary to the Secdef (Cheneys) recommendation.


71 posted on 12/23/2005 6:18:20 PM PST by tarepeter
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To: HairOfTheDog
Just who on this thread questioned Powell's right to be heard? His statements are assinine. Nobody's attacked his Vietnam record, now did they?

John Kerry, is that you?

72 posted on 12/23/2005 6:22:51 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature)
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To: SE Mom
What did Powell ever do for America? He SERVED in the United States Army for longer than you've been alive.

Big deal. Even Jeffrey Dahmer did a stint in the Army. Not equating him with Powell, but military service does not automatically turn you into an all-knowing being who cannot be questioned. See Murtha for a textbook example.

73 posted on 12/23/2005 6:25:50 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature)
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To: EveningStar

Powell is pure sour grapes.


74 posted on 12/23/2005 6:27:16 PM PST by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and Friends, the rest can go to hell.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; HairOfTheDog; SE Mom

You certainly picked an appropriate handle.


75 posted on 12/23/2005 6:29:46 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

I wasn't gonna take that one to heart... I know I don't resemble Kerry... I don't have the right hair, for one.


76 posted on 12/23/2005 6:32:43 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: EveningStar
You certainly picked an appropriate handle.

Damn straight. 'Cause I don't sugarcoat anything. I say that Powell is a chicken-feces fool who has undermined the administration from day one, with his listless, milquetoast stint as Secretary of State as a prime example C'mon. You know and I know that Powell was picked SoS purely because of his race. Alan Keyes would have made a great SoS and he's much more qualified than Powell.

Powell's a closet Dem/socialist, his military service is irrelevant (but respectable) to what he has accomplished outside of it.

77 posted on 12/23/2005 6:35:11 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (None genuine without my signature)
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To: EveningStar

If you had asked me yesterday, if I thought this domestic surveillance stuff was a big deal, I would have laughed at you. But for now -- color me undecided.


78 posted on 12/23/2005 7:36:58 PM PST by DougJ
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; EveningStar
You know and I know that Powell was picked SoS purely because of his race. Alan Keyes would have made a great SoS and he's much more qualified than Powell.

Powell was National Security Advisor to Ronald Reagan (1986)

While Keyes was an ambassador to a UN Economics Council.

Powell went on to become a 4 star General, and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. Keyes went on to run unsuccessfully for office a couple times, and then to a couple of equally unsuccessful runs as a talk show host.

Yeah - I can see that their resumes aren't even ~close~

I'm biased, I've met Powell, and found him to be a remarkably impressive presence in a room. He has a manner and carriage that conveys confidence and control. I haven't met Keyes in person but he seems nervous and jittery and he talks too fast like he's jacked up on too many espressos. Not exactly the kind of personality I'd pick for negotiations with sensitive foreign dignitaries... but that's just me. :~D

79 posted on 12/23/2005 7:44:37 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Are you serious? He's been serving this country, as a soldier and valued advisor, since the Reagan administration. Has one president ever asked ~you~ for your opinion?

It's a good thing Reagan never listened to Powell or the USSR would still be a world power. Powell and mental midgets like him propped up the Soviets for decades by advocating Detente; Reagan understood that there are only winners and losers. Bush I listened to Powell and stopped short in Desert Storm, look where that got us... another war in the middle east. I see no honor in giving strength to America's enemies.
80 posted on 12/23/2005 7:46:22 PM PST by Minus_The_Bear
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