Joe Wilson fumes over Vallely charges in WND

World Net Daily.com ^ | November 5, 2005 | Joseph Farah

[tabtalker]

WASHINGTON – Ambassador Joseph Wilson's attorney is demanding Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely retract a statement he made to WND that the man at the center of the CIA leak case "outed" his own wife as a CIA employee in conversations more than a year before her identity was revealed in a syndicated column.

[Enchante]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1446543/posts

aha, it was the thread started by freethesheeples back on 7/20/05 that I was remembering.... where Victor Davis Hanson is described recounting a "TV green room" conversation with Joe Wilson that corroborates the claim that Wilson was given to carelessly discussing his "CIA wife" long before the Novak column ever appeared. There are probably loads of 'Rats and MSM types in DC who have had similar (and more detailed) conversations with Wilson before July 2003, but alas such types do not volunteer info that would undermine their cause, not even (or especially) when the truth is at stake in matters of great public importance, i.e., is Joe Wilson honest or is he a lying psychopath being used by the left to undermine our government?

[The Whitehouse Cabal]

As Mark Levin says, Let him sue. I love discovery.

[maica]

...a flap between Vallely and Joe Wilson.
Last week, Paul Vallely told me on my radio show that, in the spring of 2002, he recalls Wilson boasting of his wife as a "CIA desk officer"
in the green room at FNC in Washington DC.

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"This is slanderous," Wilson wrote. "I never appeared on tv before at least July 2002

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Somebody's memory or ability to distinguish one year from another is faulty. I sure hope it is not Gen Vallely who is confused; or "spring" and "july" can be meshed.

[Enchante]

I don't know a thing about the recent whereabouts or activities of either Joe Wilson or Valerie Pflame. I have seen various rumors about Valerie being abroad but have no idea what the facts are.... does someone else here know? I have said on another thread that if there were any substance to rumors that their marriage is on the rocks then that will be used by Joe Wilson and the MSM as a weapon against the WH, Novak, right-wing conspiracies, etc. Just as Joe Wilson wrote his recent puerile "27 Months of Hell" column in the LA Times, he would use any problems (if they existed, I have no idea) in his marriage as another weapon against the VRWC and he would find plenty of sympathetic allies in the MSM.

[Enchante]

Yes, I certainly hope Vallely has his dates right -- especially against Joe Wilson's claim that he didn't even appear on TV in the spring of 2003...... but I wouldn't be at all surprised to find Wilson is a fantasist on this as in many other matters. We do know that Wilson made several public appearances before lecture audiences from Oct. 2002 to Feb. 2003 and wrote a couple of op-eds before the war about Iraq policy, etc. (he was anti-war and supported what he called "agressive inspections" against Saddam.... though what exactly we were supposed to do when Saddam once again failed to cooperate with inspectors, Wilson never did seem to make clear).

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Wilson HAD been invited to make TV talk-show appearances in early 2003 since he had been putting himself out in the public as a supposed expert, but I sure do hope Vallely has his dates right and that Wilson WAS in fact in the same TV green rooms as Vallely in the spring of 2003 and not just some months later..... surely someone at FOX News can track down the bare facts of when/if Vallely and Wilson appeared on the same shows together?

[Arizona Carolyn]

~LOL~ That's a good one!

[Enchante]

whoops, just realized that the redstate column is talking about spring 2002 and I thought we were talking about spring 2003.... hope I'm the only one who mixed up the dates and not General Vallely! But did Vallely say "spring 2002" or "spring 2003"??? It's possible that he has things straight and it's WND or Redstate that's mixing things up. They'd all better have their ducks in a row if it comes to a legal battle (though I strongly doubt that Joe Wilson would dare to face a rigorous discovery process in any legal battle - he's got too many skeletons in these matters).

In face, maybe the solution to this nightmare is for some extremely well-funded person(s) or group to try to force Joe Wilson into a legal/slander courtroom battle so that all the real facts can come out in a courtroom discovery process. The biggest problem is that Wilson (so far) can hide behind MSM ignorance and sloth, and only 'cooperate' with highly sympathetic reporters who give extremely one-sided accounts of everything, so no one ever gets to give him and his affairs a proper rectal exam.....

[samantha]

One way to find out is to ask Tony Snow because he was the Moderator on FNS then. He is Freeper TonySnow, and you will find his talk show thread m-f from 9-12noon,and he does answer posts to him.

[Peach]

hehehe. Bring on the lawsuits. Wilson is freaking out.

[Marine_Uncle]

"My quick version of this smoke and noise is that it means that Wilson panics self-destructively."

Thanks for the ping. But regardless of how it turns out for Wilson, it appears Libby's perjery charges will stick. His lawyers have to figure out how to get the charge dropped and or acquited of the charge(s). No response required since I cannot add anything of value to this discussion.

[Enchante]

"hehehe. Bring on the lawsuits. Wilson is freaking out."

Lawsuits... hmmm.... as I said in another post above, maybe what's needed is for some very well-funded litigant(s) to take on Joe Wilson and force an extensive discovery process..... though unless Joe is dumb enough to sue someone for slander, etc. I don't know how the matter would get into civil court.

FYI, Joe Wilson's neighbor and personal lawyer, Christopher Wolf, has an interesting background which includes issues and institutions which intersect with some problems Free Republic has faced, from WaPo to online privacy and the "Electronic Communications Privacy Act".... wonder what Mr. Wolf would say about the legal status of the WaPo reporters in collusion with "MD4Bush" to misuse private email communications to create a (fraudulent) public scandal????

http://www.proskauer.com/lawyers_at_proskauer/atty_data/0824

MSNBC calls Christopher Wolf "a pioneer in Internet law." And, indeed, Chris was involved in the earliest matters involving the Internet, helping to make new law for new technologies. He was trial counsel for the old MCI in a three-month-long jury trial involving a failed joint venture for Internet-related equipment, where MCI won a complete victory. He represented The Washington Post in a high-profile challenge to reporters' use of the Internet, winning summary judgment. He represented the recording industry in the first successful lawsuits against online piracy. And he was among the first lawyers to litigate domain name disputes, jurisdictional issues and the limits to online and e-mail marketing. A more recent case involved a trademark law challenge to the use of Google "adwords" for marketing purposes.

As the Internet matured, and personal privacy became an issue, Chris also was among the first to be involved in the new field of electronic privacy law. One notable case was the one in which Chris successfully challenged the U.S. Navy in federal court under the Electronic Communications Privacy Act for their improper contact with AOL. Today, he is called upon for advice, counsel and representation on privacy law matters including those under EU and foreign law, as well as federal statutes (such as COPPA and Gramm-Leach-Bliley) and the growing body of state law, especially in California. He has served as counsel for each of the U.S. airlines accused of privacy law violations arising from their cooperation on security matters.

Indicative of his standing as one of the country's leading Internet lawyers are the many opportunities Chris has had to speak and write on Internet and privacy law, including at Harvard and Stanford Law Schools, as an adjunct professor at the Washington & Lee University School of Law, on CLE panels such as PLI Institutes, at the Brookings Institution, at the Second Circuit Judicial Conference, at the Bar Association of the City of New York, and at international conferences in Sweden, France and Israel. Chris also is a regular commentator on NBC, CNN and MSNBC.

Chris is a 1980 magna cum laude, Order of the Coif graduate of the law school at Washington & Lee University, where he served on Law Review and was a Teaching Fellow. He graduated in 1976 cum laude from Bowdoin College and was a General Course participant at the London School of Economics & Political Science. He clerked for U.S. District Judge Aubrey E. Robinson, Jr. in Washington, DC.

[Anselma]

"... the trial doesn't have to go into all this stuff, it will just focus on what was said and when to the GJ."


Ditto, unfortunately. Is there no charge that could be brought against Wilson/Plame? Gotta be.

[Anselma]

"Two words: Wesley Clark. Another two words: John Kerry."

Ouch. Painful memories. They deserved eachother.

Diff subj: What was with the deer-in-the-headlights eyes of Wes Clark???? He sometimes looked as if he was getting ready to escape at any moment. Remember? Same kind of crazed eyeball thing that "the Runaway Bride" had. But maybe they're related.

[Navy Patriot]

If he doesn't like it, sue him.

Vallely should be so lucky. The Rats would never let Wilson sue, even if he was stupid enough to do so. Vallely would be entitled to discovery (everything there is to know about Wilson and wife) plus the power of subpoena over individuals associated with the case. Wilson and wife would end up in prison (espionage, sabotage, collaboration, and conspiracy), and drag Rats in with 'em.

[Anselma]

"Joe Wilson would have been well advised to not ever open his mouth for whatever purposes he intended,, he is now reaping a whirlwind of his own creation, imo."

Yes. The whirlwind of his own petard. Or something.

[smoothsailing]

Here's a link to another article with the Hanson claim.

http://www.americanthinker.com/comments.php?comments_id=3586

From the American Thinker

Far out

General Vallely says Wilson offered up to him the information that his wife was a CIA employee, well before the Novak article.

Joseph C. Wilson, revealed wife Valerie Plame's identity in a casual conversation more than a year before she allegedly was "outed" by the White House through a columnist.

Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely told WorldNetDaily that Wilson mentioned Plame's status as a CIA operative in at least three, possibly five, separate conversations in 2002 in the Fox News Channel's "green room" in Washington, D.C., as they waited to appear on air as analysts.

Victor Davis Hanson says in another Green Room encounter pre-Novak column, Wilson made the same disclosure to him.

Fred Barnes has said everyone knew Plame was in the CIA..

Andrea Mitchell says this as well.

Add this to the Ames outing of Plame, and the Agency's subsequent inadvertent outing of her to the Cubans, one has to ask how in the world  this investigation can be justified and why, if we all know this, the Special Prosecutor didn't.  If he did, why did he keep this nonsensical and expensive inquiry alive?

A more interesting inquiry,apparently would be, who didn't know Plame was with the CIA?

Clarice Feldman   11 05 05

[syriacus]

The whirlwind of his own petard.

LOL.

[Anselma]

Picture, "(From the mind of BOAZO) "


Thanks, Fabulozo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Marine_Uncle]

So it appears Wilson has one slick lawyer working in his behalf. Problem is the L/MSM will not bring out the real Wilson to the public. He could end up going to jail and if the L/MSM don't show the country the truth in their eyes they will still think the POTUS took us to war on false intel, that he and his admin ordered up. That is the real crime.

[pepperdog]

He has a career?