Posted on 11/05/2005 8:23:31 PM PST by tabtalker
WASHINGTON – Ambassador Joseph Wilson's attorney is demanding Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely retract a statement he made to WND that the man at the center of the CIA leak case "outed" his own wife as a CIA employee in conversations more than a year before her identity was revealed in a syndicated column.
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Was the Narcissistic Joe Wilson a Source in "Outing" His Own Wife Valerie Plame as a "CIA Agent"? FreeRepublic.com, Conversation with Victor Davis Hanson, Posts re David Corn, the Nation, et al. ^ | 7/20/05 | FReetheSheeples
Posted on 07/20/2005 1:04:42 AM EDT by FReethesheeples
Could minor Ambassador Joe Wilson himself have been the source in blowing his own Wife's cover?
It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press.
Here's an example of Joe's apparently routine and open bragging about Valerie being a "CIA agent," which became known directly to me over a year ago:
He certainly bragged about it per a famous and highly reliable source's (named below) account of his own face-to-face encounter with Amb. Joe Wilson prior to Valerie Plame's "outing" as a CIA agent/employee.
Based upon a personal conversation (we were in a small group eating; it was NOT an "off the record") I had with eminent historian Victor Davis Hanson (we were at a luncheon table together during a trip to Europe), it appeared entirely possible that Joe Wilson himself was the (or one source, if not the original one) possible source in revealing his own wife's status as a CIA agent or employee.
Victor Davis Hanson (Wilson presumably knew Victor Davis Hanson wrote regularly for NRO (National Review Online), had done OpEds for the Wall street Journal, and other publications, and had his own Website with a widespread following) said he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were both in the same "Green Room" before a televised debate-discussion on Iraq, etc. and Joe first warned the TV make-up person not to get powder on his $14,000 Rolex watch, then he bragged to Victor about several things (possessions and trips to Aspen, etc.), like his expensive car (I think it was a Mercedes), and then bragged about his beautiful ("hot") wife who, Joe Wilson said (braggingly) was a CIA operative.
I asked Victor Davis Hanson Why he didn't write up this account.(?) He replied that Joe Wilson would probably simply deny it, since only he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were in the Green Room together before the broadcast.
However, it is now easy to surmise that Joe Wilson is a crass, materialistic, self-promoting, vain, egotistical, bragaddocio-opportunist, so this account is perfectly consistent with Valerie Plame's TWO photo shoots in Vanity Fair.
Importantly, perhaps, and inferentially corroborative of the above account is the fact that David Corn in the Nation did an article on Valerie Plame's identity evidently (& reportedly) a day after he met with Joe Wilson.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1446543/posts
This gives us 2 different accounts of Joe Wilson bragging about his wife in a TV green room.
I am trying to confirm the Hanson report. I thought I'd seen that at NRO. Can anyone find confirmation of it elsewhere? Thanks. I imd Freethesheeples but have not received a response.
I'd love to hear his (her?) take on the Vallely green room story.
http://www.davidcorn.com/
November 04, 2005
What Did Novak's Source Know About Plame?/Me and Triumph on Broadway: A Review
'Who is Mr. X and what did he know? That is, which administration official was the first source who told Bob Novak that Joseph Wilson's wife was a CIA operative, and what did this source tell Novak about Valerie Wilson? Special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald must know the answers to this question; otherwise Novak would be sitting in the slammer (as Judith Miller did for 85 days). But since this information is not critical to the question of whether Scooter Libby lied to FBI agents and grand jurors about how he had learned of Valerie Wilson's employment at the CIA, it was not included in the Libby indictment. But as I noted a few days ago, Fitzgerald placed a rather tantalizing fact in the indictment; he reported that on June 12, 2003--weeks before Joseph Wilson published his now-infamous New York Times op-ed about his trip to Niger--Dick Cheney told Libby that "Wilson's wife worked at the Central Intelligence Agency in the Counterproliferation Division." That was significant because the Counterproliferation Division is part of the operations directorate--aka the DO--which is the clandestine service of the CIA. This meant that Cheney and Libby had reason to believe--or at least suspect--that Valerie Wilson was an undercover employee of the CIA.
After I wrote about this small slice of the indictment (which Fitzgerald presented with no elaboration) a sharp-eyed reader emailed to point out an interesting line in a column that Novak published on October 1, 2003. Writing about his original article that included the Plame/CIA leak, he reported,
During a long conversation with a senior administration official, I asked why Wilson was assigned the mission to Niger. He said Wilson had been sent by the CIA's counterproliferation section at the suggestion of one of its employees, his wife. [Emphasis added].......'
Yes, I know of those reports. It's the Hanson story I am trying to track down .
"Message to Joe Wilson - you are way way over your head and amateurs in the intelligence game get burned!"
An "Inverted Hoagland" - I give it a 10, lol.
It can be used both ways. If the defendant without urging from the prosecution pleads it, he could get zapped. Particuliarly if the case has gone to trial. I was selected on a jury in a fraud case where elders had been bilked by a bastard. The jury selection for the defendants was really bad. Somehow they had allowed two CPAs and 3 guys with MBA's to be enpaneled/selected. I was selected as Jury Foreman.
Suddenly one of the lawyers asked to approach the bench, after a few minutes of session with the Judge. The judge said he wanted to ask our education level. As noted 3 of us had MBAs and we had two CPAs with us. When the second CPA noted she was a CPA, the attorneys for the defendant and the DA approached the bench. In that case he pleaded "nolo contendre". The judge dismissed the jury and proceeded to sentence the defendant.
However, when the prosecution has a really weak case and wants to get out without a lot of egg on their face, they often will signal/tell the defense attorneys that a NC plea will mean the end of the case. All of the lawyers and defendant will then,often go the Judge's quarters and the NC plea is entered with no more proceedings to follow.
Isn't Major Vallely a security expert?
Is he the one who did a rescue (Courtesy of BOR) during the Katrina aftermath? Got an elderly lady out of her home? Or is that the other retired officer (sorry forget his rank and name).
I don't what his background is.
Hopefully one of his many fans here will inform us.
I would believe Baghdad Bob over Wilson, in a life or death decision.
from:
http://www.johnbatchelorshow.com/showDetail.cfm?id=28&start=181&groupStart=1
"...Major General Paul E. Vallely (Ret)
General Vallely was born in DuBois, Pa. He retired in 1991 from the U.S. Army as deputy commanding general, U.S. Army, Pacific in Honolulu, Hawaii. General Vallely graduated from the U.S. Military Academy at West Point and was commissioned in the Army in 1961 serving a distinguishing career of 32 years in the Army. He served in many overseas theaters to include Europe and the Pacific Rim Countries as well as two combat tours in Vietnam. He has served on U.S. security assistance missions on civilian-military relations to Europe, Japan, Korea, Thailand, Indonesia and Central America with in-country experience in Indonesia, Columbia, El Salvador, Panama, Honduras and Guatemala. General Vallely is a military analyst for FOX News Channel and is a guest on many nationally syndicated radio talk shows. He is also a guest lecturer on the War on Terror. He is the Military Committee Chairman for the Center for Security Policy in Washington, DC. He has just co-authored a book entitled . Endgame . Blueprint for Victory for Winning the War on Terror. ..."
As for the Katrina rescue, it might have been the other guy.
Fitrzgerald is not concerned with the substance of the issue. His focus is on the intent Scooter had when testifying to the FBI. The Scooter is hot water aplenty on that legal issue. He walked into a well-planned perjury trap and took the bait.
There is a recent case where a wedding photo of two "Oregon" gay men was used in an ad in USA Next, apparently an anti-Dem ad.
The case is just beginning as far as I can tell.
There was an interesting quote by one of the gay males: "We never signed up to be Harry and Lousie for a hate-mongering group," referring to the fictional character used in television commercials to scuttle then-First Lady Hillary Clinton's health care proposal.
Hmmmmm Why did the dude even MENTION this? It was years ago. Wolf's Law Firm is "based" in NY.
Victor Davis Hanson (of National Review, etc.) reported the same kind of conversation with Lyin' Joe Wilson long ago..... Hanson said Wilson easily discussed his CIA wife in between boasting of his possessions and telling the make-up artist to watch out for his Rolex watch..... someone needs to bring Hanson and Vallely together on the same show and invite Joe Wilson to face them..... but Wilson is a blowhard braggart who can never actually take on the people he slanders. Oh, did I forget that he stood up to Saddam in 1990? No, that one little episode has given babbling Joe more mileage than anyone could have imagined at the time. It's still the only worthwhile thing he's done in his pathetic life.
Wilson's lies may finally be coming apart - can anyone reach Victor Davis Hanson to see if he'd be willing to add his public corroboration via another, very similar, conversation he reported about a "TV green room" encounter he had with Joe Wilson??? I know that Hanson's separate account (of Joe Wilson carelessly 'outing' his CIA wife long before the Novak column) has been discussed on some blogs but it might be time for him to add his recollections to the developing story with Vallely and Wilson's reckless email (below):
WILSON PANICS
By: John Batchelor · Section: Diaries
http://www.redstate.org/story/2005/11/6/11228/7960
Wilson panics. Have been five hours in correspondence with Major General Paul Vallely USA (ret) West Point '61, now of FNC, and Joe Farah, editor of WorldNetDaily.com, re a flap between Vallely and Joe Wilson.
Last week, Paul Vallely told me on my radio show that, in the spring of 2002, he recalls Wilson boasting of his wife as a "CIA desk officer" in the green room at FNC in Washington DC.
WorldNetDaily heard the broadcast and wrote it up on Friday night.
Today, according to the WND article just posted:
"A demand letter was sent by Christopher Wolf, partner at Proskauer Rose LLP and counsel for Wilson, to both Vallely and WND tonight.
It disputes Vallely's claim that Wilson mentioned Valerie Plame's status with the CIA in at least three separate conversations in 2002 in the Fox News Channel's "green room" in Washington as they waited to appear as analysts.
"As you know, that assertion and the claim that Ambassador Wilson revealed to you or to anyone that his wife worked for the CIA is patently false, and subjects you and anyone publishing your statements to legal liability," states the letter.
It continues: "We are writing to demand that you immediately retract the assertion attributed to you and to insist that you stop making the false allegation. In addition, we request that you identify all persons or entitites (sic) to whom you made any claim that Ambassador Wilson revealed his wife's employment at the CIA to you."
I have been in communication with Vallely and Farah all evening, and both will be on my show on Monday night 7 November at 1005 pm est. Vallely is certain of his memory. Farah is certain of his report. I am certain of them both. I also urging Paul Vallely to insist Wilson apologize for accusing Vallely of "slanderous" conduct in an e-mail that Wilson wrote to Wolf that was inadvertently included in the original demand e-mail to Vallely.
Here's the quote from Wilson's e-mail to Wolf:
"This is slanderous," Wilson wrote. "I never appeared on tv before at least July 2002 and only saw him maybe twice in the green room at FOX. Vallely is a retired general and this is a bald faced lie. Can we sue? This is not he said/she said, since I never laid eyes on him till several months after he alleges I spoke to him about my wife."
On Monday, I will also insist that the CIA ask DOJ to begin an investigation that Wilson, by naming his wife a "CIA desk officer," may have violated the five year limit protecting "covert agents" under the 1982 law. Turn the matter over to Fitzgerald to resolve the ambiguities of memory.
My quick version of this smoke and noise is that it means that Wilson panics self-destructively.
More soon.
Nov 6th, 2005: 01:12:28
Joe had just retired and Lo and Behold, he's back in government on a "Secret Mission" and his CIA wife recommended him. What a coincidence!!
Cooper was the jerk who got used in this. Mandy should have told Matt BEFORE he made his phone calls to Rove and Libby "as instructed by Mandy", that Hillary is her best friend, not Matt.
WOW!
Enchante, would you happen to know for a fact if Valerie was/is out of the country? I believe it was reported she was in France. The DC gossip mill has reported Joe has not been lonely.
I am starting to wonder if Joe was the true ruin of his wife's career. The introduction Joe gave her described in Vanity Fair is so, so bubba. who can forget the "I honor you!" after the bluse dress surfaced)
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