Posted on 09/02/2005 2:18:15 PM PDT by LarryDeRobio
When asked where the blame should begin for the rescue/relief problems in New Orleans, MSNBC analyst Don Goure made the point that it was the city that directed people to go the Superdome and to the convention center.
They should've. It was rated to Cat3, the storm was Cat5.
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They were told they would have transportation, security, etc., which the city never delivered. Basically dumped them, especially at the convention center."
Dumbrats is scared a people wit guns.....
You're right. I've seen a few strange comments along the way criticizing them for putting them in the Superdome. I have two comments on that which also gets at your comment about withstanding a Class 5 hurricane.
1. Using the Superdome as a safe refuge is a Class 2/3 plan - not a Class 4/5 plan. A Class 4/5 plan would be to evacuate those people out of the city because they knew in advance the whole city would be flooded for months from a Class 4/5 direct hit.
2. If their Class 4/5 plan WAS to keep people in Superdome (hard to believe) then they should have stockpiled enough water/food to last weeks for tens of thousands.
I don't see evidence they considered either of those points. And they had 40 years to plan for this.
But then again- if you don't have an emergency plan- that topic would never have come up at all.
If I am the mayor of a city full of criminals and welfare recipient's I am worried about what happens to my innocent citizens in the case of a emergency. I have a ten plans of what to do to protect innocent life.
"They've been interviewing him throughout the day and he has had NOTHING good to say about the city/state officials of Louisiana. After each segment with him the interviewer follows up with a shot at the federal side."
I hadn't seen him before, but he's about the most cogent. The anchor I saw did exactly that, but he was pretty adamant about the obvious--that it begins at the city, then state level.
They could have bussed these people out of the city which is what the state plan called for in case of a cat 3 hurricane or higher.
The logistics of moving and sheltering thousands and thousands of borderline indingent people are staggering. Just look at the unintended consequences caused by the bus trip from New Orleans to Houston--the mayor of Houston went from confidently saying Houston was ready for the evacuees the other evening to now asking Houstonians to open their homes to people b/c there's not enough room for all those who keep coming (and coming)...and this is in a city nearly five times the size of New Orleans, not under the gun of a Cat 4 hurricane and with a nation and federal government ready to foot the bill for it all (as FEMA is doing, right down to the last bus heading west from the Superdome).
I know this is a very emotional event, and we all want what's best for those involved, but, c'mon, think some of this stuff through before you post it here.
"Yes - it was handled wretchedly once the people got there - but again I thought it was actually a FEMA operation - I could certainly be wrong."
I don't know that FEMA wasn't involved at some point either. But these decisions were made locally first, and the city didn't follow up with security etc. once they dumped the people there.
I'm not convinced they knew the levee was going to break.
Not the Mayor of New Orlean's fault - not the Governor of Lousiana's fault - just where are you going with this?
"Let me ask all of you who are attacking Ray Nagin so viciously:"
Back up. It was Ray Nagin that attacked, what you're reading here is a response. I think most people were giving him the benefit of the doubt before he started his own cya operation and laid the blame on Bush and Iraq this morning.
Yep, we didn't want to get into finger-pointing, but dammit the Rats started it, and I won't see my President take the fall for it.
"I know this is a very emotional event, and we all want what's best for those involved, but, c'mon, think some of this stuff through before you post it here."
Maybe the good mayor ought to think some of "his stuff through" before he says it, considering that he is as much to blame as anyone in this mess.
Yes and that's why it needs to be planned for beforehand.
Why couldn't these school busses be used to evacuate them to another city? That would have solved several problems. First it would would have evacuated people out of NO. Second it would have prevented water damage to those vehicles. Third, it would allow those busses to be used after the hurricane to bring in aid workers.
"Yep, we didn't want to get into finger-pointing, but dammit the Rats started it, and I won't see my President take the fall for it."
Gibson was on the radio for O'Reilly, and he played a clip of a guy at the convention center going off on the mayor and city council, saying "they told us to come here, they said there'd be buses. where are the buses and where are they?"
"Why couldn't these school busses be used to evacuate them to another city?"
And people were asking that before that picture showed up.
Probably too many people concerned with union and school board regulations;but basically just Americans have a crazy belief that bad things hapen somewhere else,not HERE!
No but the same guy was just on my local radio station KMBZ in Kansas City, with host Jerry Agar, and heard by a vast listening audience.
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