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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: Hi Heels
HAAHAHAAHAHahahah.... BWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahha.....

Got so nervous I put in the wrong number.....

5,501 posted on 08/24/2005 8:56:10 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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To: Hi Heels
Hello?

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5,502 posted on 08/24/2005 10:17:03 PM PDT by HKMk23 ('Re you gonna eat that?)
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To: tuliptree76; Monkey Face; NicknamedBob
Last post?

Not yet. But we ought to start thinking about a home for the "September Chronicles".

5,503 posted on 08/25/2005 7:18:42 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || (To Libs:) You are failing to celebrate MY diversity || Iran Azadi)
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To: Monkey Face; ntnychik; colorado tanker; humblegunner; SilentServiceCPO; Apple Pan Dowdy; ...

What's this all about?



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Spawn of the Undead Thread:
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5,504 posted on 08/25/2005 8:01:18 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || (To Libs:) You are failing to celebrate MY diversity || Iran Azadi)
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To: sionnsar

Good morning. It's kind of slow in here.


5,505 posted on 08/25/2005 8:05:25 AM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: sionnsar

Good Morning Captain!


5,506 posted on 08/25/2005 8:05:51 AM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: sionnsar

We'll just have to wait until some really dopey troll turns up, after the 1st.

How are you? I finished cleaning my garage this morning! Well, except for taking the trash out, which can't be done until tonight. I sure wish we had twice-a-week pickup ... this family produces a LOT of trash, especially diapers!


5,507 posted on 08/25/2005 8:06:37 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Oklahoma is the cultural center of the universe ... take me back to Tulsa!)
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To: Tax-chick
Doing okay here. But a teleconference is creeping up on me.

Hearing noises outside; soon to be former boss finishing his two-week move out of the office to his new spacious digs (+lab), must mean the new boss being transferred from Switzerland is arriving shortly.

5,508 posted on 08/25/2005 8:16:10 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || (To Libs:) You are failing to celebrate MY diversity || Iran Azadi)
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To: sionnsar

Well, that will be interesting!


5,509 posted on 08/25/2005 8:17:59 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Oklahoma is the cultural center of the universe ... take me back to Tulsa!)
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To: sionnsar

Morning!

The Mt. St. Helens webcam looks interesting this morning:

http://www.fs.fed.us/gpnf/volcanocams/msh


5,510 posted on 08/25/2005 8:28:23 AM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Wildfire? Or did she pop some smoke?


5,511 posted on 08/25/2005 9:33:21 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Hard to say. It could be smoke from eastern Washington, or she may be hissing.

She hasn't had her morning sacrifice yet.


5,512 posted on 08/25/2005 9:34:48 AM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: HKMk23
I did see some new construction in North Sac near Arco Arena starting in the high $300K's. A co-worker is looking at buying one for a rental property.

Wow, it must be nice to have an extra $2500 a month laying around...
5,513 posted on 08/25/2005 9:57:24 AM PDT by Dawsonville_Doc (Moving to NC as fast as I can...)
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To: Temple Owl; NicknamedBob; Darksheare; Tax-chick; SandyInSeattle; fanfan; sionnsar; tuliptree76; ...

I just got my new Lexus RX400h, and returned to the dealer the next day, complaining that I couldn't figure out how the radio worked. The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.

"Watch this! He said, Nelson!"

The radio replied, "Ricky or Willie?"

"Willie!" He continued....and On the Road Again came from the speakers.

I drove away happy, and for the next few days, every time I'd say, "Beethoven!" I'd get beautiful classical music, and if I said, "Beatles!" I'd get one of their awesome songs.

One day, a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new car, but I swerved in time to avoid them. "A##HOLES!" I yelled.....

The French National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Michael Moore, backed up by John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums and Bill Clinton on sax....

I love this car!!!!


5,514 posted on 08/25/2005 10:53:35 AM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: Monkey Face

ROFLOL!


5,515 posted on 08/25/2005 10:54:50 AM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: Monkey Face

Worth the big bucks a Lexus costs!


5,516 posted on 08/25/2005 10:57:35 AM PDT by airborne
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To: Monkey Face

Hi 'Face.


5,517 posted on 08/25/2005 10:58:56 AM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: airborne

I liked it! LOL!


5,518 posted on 08/25/2005 11:00:23 AM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: fanfan

Pretty funny, huh?


5,519 posted on 08/25/2005 11:00:47 AM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: tuliptree76

Hiya!

What's happening in IlliNOISE?


5,520 posted on 08/25/2005 11:01:16 AM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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