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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: King Prout
"...the core pieces taper towards the ends in both the X and Y axes...."

I've seen Norm build some pretty elaborate jigs to accomplish his bending plans. It could still be worthwhile.

Consider this; If you were mass-producing these bows, you'd want a form that would hold everything in place. It may be worth the trouble to do it for even one. (After all, you could flock it, or cover it with velvet, and use it as a storage case for the bow!)

Here's how I would proceed.

Draw a template of the side-profile and make a hardboard pattern to follow it.
Use that as a guide to rout the depth of the bending form. (If you don't have a router, buy one.)
In similar manner, make the kerf of the form fit the profile to be achieved.
Duplicate the pattern on the opposite side of the form, so that you have a form which closes over the item to be glued.
Use shimming material to assure that the item to be glued will be forced into the shape you wish to achieve.
After the form has accomplished its goal, use spray adhesive and flocking (or velvet) and make a case to hold the bow when it is not in service.
Add hinges and a clasp to the sides of the case.
Should be easy with the right set-up.
5,301 posted on 08/23/2005 1:44:26 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (I am impervious to insult, being extraordinarily dense, rather like Superman.)
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To: Monkey Face
Here's Charlie.......


5,302 posted on 08/23/2005 1:51:17 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: airborne

Quite a few people were waiting for Churchy to get dropped.

What I don't understand... the people defending Churchy.
As if they don't know what churchy was.


5,303 posted on 08/23/2005 1:53:09 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: Darksheare

Some people like to argue just for the entertainment value. Lonely, I guess.


5,304 posted on 08/23/2005 1:56:38 PM PDT by airborne
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To: Darksheare; airborne

"...What I don't understand... the people defending Churchy.
As if they don't know what churchy was."

Sometimes, we defend people because they have something we admire: intestinal fortitude, red hair, green eyes, a Humvee, a big house....and we justify that "defense" in any way we can.

I, for one, have never needed an "excuse" for anything I've done. Or not done. But then, I was raised with a whole different set of values...;o]


5,305 posted on 08/23/2005 1:58:56 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: fanfan

Awwww...I would hug his little face and let him know he was loved, if I were there!


5,306 posted on 08/23/2005 2:00:03 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: King Prout
Wow! That is one heck of a physical therapy regimen.
5,307 posted on 08/23/2005 2:03:29 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Darksheare; All

These ingrates are attacking Jim Robinson now!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1469151/posts


5,308 posted on 08/23/2005 2:04:58 PM PDT by airborne
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To: Monkey Face
He's cute, if I do say so my self.

His left eye is brown on the top, and blue on the bottom. His right eye is almost completely blue.

He has been getting more than his fair share of hugs and love. Even from our 14 yr. old son. He let Charlie sleep on his bed last night. :-)
5,309 posted on 08/23/2005 2:07:01 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: All; yall
Here is something really odd!

Take a look: http://www.boof.cc/


It's a fast food chain, serving burgers, pizza, chicken, etc. Very American. Very American-looking. Never heard of it before, though.


Probably because it's Iranian. Yet the website is all in English (And I find the menu to be in Farsi, but the rest is all English.).

5,310 posted on 08/23/2005 2:07:09 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || (To Libs:) You are failing to celebrate MY diversity || Iran Azadi)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

CG for President!!

:)

Just don't say I have a plan over and over again :)


5,311 posted on 08/23/2005 2:12:15 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (It's called having class.....)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

yep...

it was inedible....


5,312 posted on 08/23/2005 2:12:29 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (It's called having class.....)
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To: MikeinIraq; Conspiracy Guy; Laura Earl
"CG for President!!"

I would be happy to assist in any way possible. (Just don't forget my modest needs for compensation. -- It isn't really necessary to send Ed McMahon, the big check will be sufficient.)

5,313 posted on 08/23/2005 2:42:26 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (I am impervious to insult, being extraordinarily dense, rather like Superman.)
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To: King Prout

That sounds much more complex than I'd at first envisioned.

Must the whole bow be laid up all at once, or could it be "staged" up in two or more successive steps?

Perhaps the core peices could be laid up by themsleves then the belly and back could be added and the entire assembly clamped in a second fixture?

As for the double-taper of the core pieces: could you taper them only in the axis perpendicular to the layers of their lamination (thickness), glue them up, then machine the taper in the other axis (width) afterward?


5,314 posted on 08/23/2005 2:59:06 PM PDT by HKMk23 ('Re you gonna eat that?)
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To: sionnsar

In Pakistan, Pizza Hut is all the rage...but don't ask for a sausage pizza or a Hawaiian pizza and expect PORK sausage and PORK ham with your pineapple...The crust is American made, as is the formula for the tomato sauce. But you will most likely get goat as the meat.

And of course, Pepsi is the drink of choice at Pizza Hut...


5,315 posted on 08/23/2005 3:04:18 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: NicknamedBob

You are SOOO modest, NnB! No wonder I like you.

(Hey. Have you seen my ruby? I can't find it anywhere.)


5,316 posted on 08/23/2005 3:05:55 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Monkey Face
You might be right about the mood thing....yeap!
5,317 posted on 08/23/2005 3:12:59 PM PDT by EsmeraldaA
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To: Monkey Face

But do they put all their signs in English?


5,318 posted on 08/23/2005 3:13:42 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || (To Libs:) You are failing to celebrate MY diversity || Iran Azadi)
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To: sionnsar

Everything in Pakistan is in English and Urdu. Advertising, packaging, business signs, buses, etc. Everyone you meet, unless they come from the villages, speaks British English. Lots of streets and buildings are named after the British. And everyone I met was anxious to try out their "American" English.

The only problem I had was with the drivers...they were all on the wrong side of the road...;o]


5,319 posted on 08/23/2005 3:18:02 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Monkey Face

I don't know about your ruby, but my Ruby is in the castle.


5,320 posted on 08/23/2005 3:26:41 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (I am impervious to insult, being extraordinarily dense, rather like Superman.)
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