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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: King Prout; Monkey Face; fanfan; tuliptree76
A thousand posts a day, and an hour after I say HI!, the thread dies.

Don't Make me post more poetry!

5,181 posted on 08/22/2005 7:19:44 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (I am impervious to insult, being extraordinarily dense, rather like Superman.)
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To: NicknamedBob

Welcome back, Bob!


5,182 posted on 08/22/2005 7:38:53 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: tuliptree76

Hi, Tulip!

Is Winston happy?


5,183 posted on 08/22/2005 7:50:34 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (I am impervious to insult, being extraordinarily dense, rather like Superman.)
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To: NicknamedBob

Winston is doing fine. :-)


5,184 posted on 08/22/2005 8:04:39 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: tuliptree76

Okay, I give up.
I can't take all this excitement.

Good Night.


5,185 posted on 08/22/2005 8:37:58 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (I am impervious to insult, being extraordinarily dense, rather like Superman.)
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To: King Prout

I just like things to be neat & orderly, so
I try to format my posts accordingly. It
can take me forever to make enough
changes to be satisfied... so I can
end up posting a half hour later.

I'm so picky.


5,186 posted on 08/22/2005 8:39:40 PM PDT by Darkchylde ("There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats." - Albert Schweitzer)
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To: NicknamedBob

Sorry, Bob. :-(

Good night.


5,187 posted on 08/22/2005 8:41:32 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: King Prout

Have you made your final selection on ducts, fans, and motors?


5,188 posted on 08/22/2005 9:24:02 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Monkey Face

Thirty-one.


5,189 posted on 08/23/2005 3:01:06 AM PDT by azhenfud (This tag line is currently experiencing technical difficulties. Please stand by.)
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To: TASMANIANRED

yuck. I used to work hours like that in the late 70's. The world and I were on different schedules.


5,190 posted on 08/23/2005 4:41:25 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Warning.... Contents under pressure....If you don't like what I say, don't read it !)
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To: MikeinIraq

If all Illegal Aliens worked as roofers and paid taxes, I'd be OK with that.


5,191 posted on 08/23/2005 4:42:56 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Warning.... Contents under pressure....If you don't like what I say, don't read it !)
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To: MikeinIraq

Blackened Chicken is good.


5,192 posted on 08/23/2005 4:43:26 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Warning.... Contents under pressure....If you don't like what I say, don't read it !)
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To: NicknamedBob

Maybe we like your poetry. ;-)


5,193 posted on 08/23/2005 4:59:06 AM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: fanfan; Conspiracy Guy; Monkey Face; King Prout; tuliptree76
Ante Up

Once the cards are shuffled,
And handed all around,
That is the hand you’re dealt,
Whatever you have found.

You cannot have do-overs,
Where Life is what is done,
“This ain’t exactly what I want,”
Just means you don’t know fun.

It’s not a game of aces,
Good cards at every turn,
But rather taking what you’ve got,
And applying what you learn.

Life has a way of making,
Good things from the mundane.
A busted flush can sometimes serve,
Who knows what you could gain?

Some think we’re here to master,
A special kind of task.
And maybe what you need to learn,
May not be what you’d ask.

I’d like to be a rich man,
And live a life of ease.
But anyone can do that much,
From school days earning “D”s.

Accepting what you’re getting,
With gratitude’s a plus,
That’s got to be the reason,
Why God puts up with us.


NicknamedBob . . . March 24, 2004

5,194 posted on 08/23/2005 6:01:46 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (I am impervious to insult, being extraordinarily dense, rather like Superman.)
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To: NicknamedBob

Morning

Over this past weekend I got on a little tear about political correctness and the outright attack on the religious roots of this great nation by the likes of the ACLU and the Democratic party. I came up with a new holiday to thwart their efforts. I thought I'd share the brief discription with you all.



Celebrestival


Celebrestival: That joyous time near the end of the year when people come together and celebrate whatever festival or occasion they deem fit.

Christians celebrate the birth of Christ.

Jews celebrate Hanukkah.

Some people celebrate Kwanzaa.

Some people celebrate retail sales.

Some people celebrate days off.

Some people celebrate food.

But no matter what the occasion all can come together and celebrate something and ALL can TOLERATE the other’s celebrations by keeping their mouths shut.

Atheists celebrate preaching tolerance as they go about not tolerating anyone or anything counter to their miserable lack of belief in anyone or anything. Do not let them win.

No one has the right to NOT BE OFFENDED! If something offends you ignore it and move along. I have never been in a Gay bar. If you are offended by my religion and culture, I find that offensive. Don't make me come over there after you.


After I wrote this down I got off my soapbox and had a beer.

Conspiracy Guy


5,195 posted on 08/23/2005 6:35:21 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Warning.... Contents under pressure....If you don't like what I say, don't read it !)
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To: Laura Earl

Pingy dingy


5,196 posted on 08/23/2005 6:40:42 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Warning.... Contents under pressure....If you don't like what I say, don't read it !)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

I need a celebrestival wreath for the front door.


5,197 posted on 08/23/2005 6:57:06 AM PDT by Laura Earl (Fitness is a journey not a destination.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
"After I wrote this down I got off my soapbox and had a beer. Conspiracy Guy
5,195 posted on 08/23/2005 9:35:21 AM EDT"

You start early. Of course, preaching is thirsty work.

5,198 posted on 08/23/2005 6:58:48 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (I am impervious to insult, being extraordinarily dense, rather like Superman.)
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To: Laura Earl

WE need to figure out what the wreath looks like


5,199 posted on 08/23/2005 7:01:39 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Warning.... Contents under pressure....If you don't like what I say, don't read it !)
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To: NicknamedBob

I wrote it Sun afternoon.


5,200 posted on 08/23/2005 7:02:07 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Warning.... Contents under pressure....If you don't like what I say, don't read it !)
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