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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: Conspiracy Guy

ohhh yeah...

My Dad and I were helping a roofing contractor reroof the house we lived in when we lived in hell errrr Pennsylvania. That really sucked. Every part of it.


5,161 posted on 08/22/2005 5:26:41 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (It's called having class.....)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

she didn't burn anything down...but she did REALLY cook some Chicken :)


5,162 posted on 08/22/2005 5:27:05 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (It's called having class.....)
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To: Monkey Face

Incoming


5,163 posted on 08/22/2005 5:27:51 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: Hi Heels
congratulations on the 5K
5,164 posted on 08/22/2005 5:29:16 PM PDT by scott0347 (Commander of the 0347th Lancer Brigade, Operator of the Immaculate Steamroller)
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To: fanfan

Ditto.


5,165 posted on 08/22/2005 5:29:32 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: scott0347

HEY!

A stranger in our midst! How are you? :o]


5,166 posted on 08/22/2005 5:30:13 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Monkey Face
No pool time...it was raining when I got up

Don't tell me... you didn't want to get wet in the pool. *\;-)

5,167 posted on 08/22/2005 5:30:27 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || (To Libs:) You are failing to celebrate MY diversity || Iran Azadi)
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To: sionnsar

No...it's hard to breathe when the humidity is 40%...*ducking*


5,168 posted on 08/22/2005 5:31:57 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: fanfan
"Did you have a nice time?"

Sort of. Mostly I did chores.

Too many trips up and down the stairs. I need a vacation from my wife's vacation.

I should get that tomorrow.
5,169 posted on 08/22/2005 5:32:15 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (I am impervious to insult, being extraordinarily dense, rather like Superman.)
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To: Monkey Face
No...it's hard to breathe when the humidity is 40%...*ducking*

I know, such thin air. Even my bagpipes complain about such regimes -- it used to take days to adjust them to such awful climes, before competitions down in CA. You could almost hear them gasping (out of tune) for "water, cool clear water..."

5,170 posted on 08/22/2005 5:39:36 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || (To Libs:) You are failing to celebrate MY diversity || Iran Azadi)
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To: King Prout
Thanks for letting me know about this cool stuff!

We should start fabricating some of it for our own use!

"Large, transparent sheets of carbon nanotubes" should have a multitude of uses!

5,171 posted on 08/22/2005 5:40:02 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (I am impervious to insult, being extraordinarily dense, rather like Superman.)
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To: sionnsar

LOL!

"One man's meat is another man's poison," I guess! The humidity is why I had to leave TX. I'm so adapted to the desert that when the humidity gets heading up toward 30%, I have to keep a low profile ~~ indoors with the A/C on to dry the air out.


5,172 posted on 08/22/2005 5:43:29 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Monkey Face

Been busy. That work thingy keeps getting in the way of FReeping


5,173 posted on 08/22/2005 5:44:18 PM PDT by scott0347 (Commander of the 0347th Lancer Brigade, Operator of the Immaculate Steamroller)
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To: scott0347

For what it's worth, we've missed you.

;o]


5,174 posted on 08/22/2005 5:46:09 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Monkey Face; All
Thanks. Much appreciated
5,175 posted on 08/22/2005 5:48:37 PM PDT by scott0347 (Commander of the 0347th Lancer Brigade, Operator of the Immaculate Steamroller)
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To: scott0347

No thanks necessary.
Come back whenever you can.
We'll always be here, in one form or another...;o]


5,176 posted on 08/22/2005 5:50:51 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: NicknamedBob

yep. the mind BOGGLES


5,177 posted on 08/22/2005 5:55:57 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: scott0347

heya! where ya been?


5,178 posted on 08/22/2005 5:56:49 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: King Prout
Of course, they don't quite tell you how they get to this stage, do they?

"... start with a 'forest' of half-millimetre-long nanotubes sticking upright on an iron-based platform."

I wonder how stable the stuff is when exposed to say, ultraviolet light, such as you might find in outer space?

5,179 posted on 08/22/2005 6:09:22 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (I am impervious to insult, being extraordinarily dense, rather like Superman.)
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To: NicknamedBob

more info here:
http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20050820/fob1.asp

I'd guess that pure carbon nanotubes wouldn't react to UV in any way at anything less than insane radiance levels


5,180 posted on 08/22/2005 6:22:38 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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