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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: King Prout

What was your Mom's specialty?


4,821 posted on 08/21/2005 5:03:29 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Conservatives are from Earth. Liberals are from Uranus.(c))
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To: King Prout

That depends on the density of the foam. You could cut a chunk of foam measuring one cubic centimetre and weigh it. Then, use that with volume calculations to determine the baseline weight of the whole model. Add a "fudge factor" (your motorcycle battery) to get a good estimate.


4,822 posted on 08/21/2005 5:04:01 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: King Prout

Here are some good duct and fan combinations:

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/ductfan.htm


Here are some electric motors that would be appropriate:

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/brushless-motors.htm

You may also wish to use other motors like some of the potent Tamiya motors used in electric R/C racing.


4,823 posted on 08/21/2005 5:08:24 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Internal Medicine


4,824 posted on 08/21/2005 5:12:21 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: King Prout

Here are some high-performance Tamiya motors:


RC GT-Tuned Motor 25T
Item# 53779
MSRP: $35.00 USD

Radio Control PartsTamiya Hop-Up Parts

http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=53779




RC Super Stock Motor RZ (Lay Down Brush)
Item# 53697
MSRP: $43.00 USD

Radio Control PartsTamiya Hop-Up Parts

http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=53697




RC Super Stock Motor TZ (Stand Up Brush)
Item# 53696
MSRP: $43.00 USD

Radio Control PartsTamiya Hop-Up Parts

http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=53696




RC Super Stock Motor Type RR (Ltd)
Item# 49260
MSRP: $43.00 USD

Radio Control PartsTamiya Hop-Up Parts

http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=49260


4,825 posted on 08/21/2005 5:14:34 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Monkey Face

Hi, 'Face! Finally made it back...


4,826 posted on 08/21/2005 5:19:18 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || (To Libs:) You are failing to celebrate MY diversity || Iran Azadi)
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To: Army Air Corps

on thrust:
8 fans x 20oz thrust = 8lbs of thrust.
on full power, that'd burp the plenum and flip this toy like a tiddlywink.

but, like I said, I'd rather throttle down (or add ballast) than make a dud.

added problem: the "real thing" has a SOLID plenum skirt, made of steel. I'm not sure how that'll play in a scale model.

the real bitch-kitten: these hovertanks do NOT have secondary drive-thrusters. They develop motion by tilting the lift fans.

in the "real thing" the fans are all variable-pitch, but I cannot do that in scale. That's ok, I can get by with simple rev control so long as the fan blades derive some lift on top of shoving air.


4,827 posted on 08/21/2005 5:20:00 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: sionnsar

Hi, there! How was your weekend, besides busy?


4,828 posted on 08/21/2005 5:20:57 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: concretebob

LOL


4,829 posted on 08/21/2005 5:21:57 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: King Prout

Oh goody; I'm so happy to hear rhat! :-)


4,830 posted on 08/21/2005 5:23:33 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Army Air Corps
this one seems appropriate:

68mm rotor diameter, 72mm outside diameter of tube and 93mm dia. front fairing ring. The motor housing is 29mm inside diameter and fits 480’s and Mega Motors MM16152 and MM16153 Brushless 400’s.

WMF0013 Mini Fan 480 for 3.2mm Shaft Electric Motors ..... $ 53.50

4,831 posted on 08/21/2005 5:25:03 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: King Prout

Maybe you could use four of the fans as dedicated lift thrusters (partially gimballed or non-gimballed) and four as manoeuvering thrusters (fully gimballed). It is just and idea. It would simplify the mechanics and some of the electrics.


4,832 posted on 08/21/2005 5:25:06 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

I figure on having the central four (the ones closest to the X and Y axis midlines) be dedicated, fixed, no-tilt lifters, and have the four corner fans on gimbals allowing 30degree included-angle ranges of motion on their respective X and Y axes - I think torsion will be my friend if I do it this way.


4,833 posted on 08/21/2005 5:29:51 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: Army Air Corps
OLD concept "sketch":

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4,834 posted on 08/21/2005 5:32:08 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: King Prout

That is exactly what I had in mind. Will you arm this thing with a CO2 system like those on RC combat ships?


4,835 posted on 08/21/2005 5:33:15 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

it fires coherent copper-ion plasma, so i was figuring on using a green diode laser.


4,836 posted on 08/21/2005 5:37:52 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: King Prout

That is one cool gadget. Planning on chasing neighbourhood dogs with it? :-)


4,837 posted on 08/21/2005 5:39:27 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

just having some expensive, time-consuming, brain-hurting fun


4,838 posted on 08/21/2005 5:41:56 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: King Prout

I understand completely!

I am planning on converting my RC glider into a boost glider with an F class rocket motor...


4,839 posted on 08/21/2005 5:43:36 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

F CLASS???

cripes! don't you need an FAA/BATFE license to mess with those?


4,840 posted on 08/21/2005 5:46:22 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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