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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: NicknamedBob

Anoreth is good with dialogue and description, but her plots don't go anywhere! I'll have her read yours before I put it in the mail to Dad.


3,721 posted on 08/18/2005 5:41:06 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: Monkey Face

you should carry around an emergency kit with chocolate fixes in it, lol!


3,722 posted on 08/18/2005 5:41:17 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Monkey Face

The walk-in's that large?? : )


3,723 posted on 08/18/2005 5:41:40 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo; Monkey Face
"...is there a place in the castle where we can put these milk containers on tap?"

You might try the main kitchen. It's at the left end of the main hall as you enter the castle from the courtyard, (after crossing the drawbridge over the moat, of course!)

There's a milk cooler in there, right next to the milk shake machine, and the flavor dispensers.

3,724 posted on 08/18/2005 5:42:20 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: nicmarlo

Yes, they are...we have several...one at least, in each kitchen...I forget now, just how many kitchens, but one of them is always open, no matter what part of the castle you're in.


3,725 posted on 08/18/2005 5:43:12 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: NicknamedBob; Monkey Face

say....this is sounding like quite a layout....who's the architect? : )


3,726 posted on 08/18/2005 5:46:19 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

Er...a lot of us, actually. Stag tore out one of the walls in the original structure on his T-rex, and we just decided we would build a castle we could be proud of...

;o]


3,727 posted on 08/18/2005 5:47:47 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Tax-chick; nicmarlo; Monkey Face

A lot of the plot in "Tabula Rasa" is just assumed. Certainly I glossed over all the human repercussions.

I just wanted to show that such an idea should be explored carefully, even by the writer!

And the ending was left quite open to interpretation! But it was a fun idea!


3,728 posted on 08/18/2005 5:48:22 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: nicmarlo; Dead Corpse; Darksheare; NicknamedBob

Dead Corpse is the "Blacksmith" and NicknamedBob is the Imperial Weatherman who also doubles as the Chief Architect, but we all had a hand in the new place...even if it was only to suggest something, or ask for an addition...we still do that.
Darksheare hangs around the lower levels and rides herd on the zombies...and...other...things...


3,729 posted on 08/18/2005 5:50:30 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Monkey Face
And now I am going to crawl off into one of the cubbyholes and get some rest before I fall face first into the keyboard.

(Can I have your beets?) Only if you take the green peppers too.

3,730 posted on 08/18/2005 5:51:26 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (When I walk into Sanctuary the band plays "Sweet Home Alabama")
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To: nicmarlo; King Prout

Ohyah...and King Prout even designed the outer shell...(or whatever it's called...) there's a graphic of it somewhere...


3,731 posted on 08/18/2005 5:52:31 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: nicmarlo; Monkey Face

I find it easy to visualize because I stole the idea from my own fictional writings.

But I designed it there. When the opportunity to rebuild here occured, thanks to Stag (and Rexxie!) I just borrowed from what I had already developed.

Then everyone else chimed in about the dungeons and such.


3,732 posted on 08/18/2005 5:52:55 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I like green peppers, but not with beets. I just like my beets alone. Er...


3,733 posted on 08/18/2005 5:53:17 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Monkey Face

: )


3,734 posted on 08/18/2005 5:53:51 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

'Night, HTB! Sleep well and watch out for the dust bunnies...


3,735 posted on 08/18/2005 5:54:07 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Monkey Face

foflol!


3,736 posted on 08/18/2005 5:54:34 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: NicknamedBob; Monkey Face

Well, is there a pictorial of this castle or rooms????


3,737 posted on 08/18/2005 5:55:24 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

I'm still not sure what my job is, but I'm still here, so whatever I'm supposed to do, I must be doing it well...:o|


3,738 posted on 08/18/2005 5:56:03 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

nite, HTB...I'm probably heading out myself soon...I'm pretty tired too.


3,739 posted on 08/18/2005 5:56:12 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo; Monkey Face

Nope. Only text.


3,740 posted on 08/18/2005 5:56:44 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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