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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: Darksheare

Darks, read this story: http://www.kcbd.com/global/story.asp?s=3727854

My response was, just how do they think that they are going to function in college if they cannot speak English in high school?


3,181 posted on 08/16/2005 8:53:45 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

Egads.
My ancestors came here and refused to continue using their native language.
Now people don't want to have to change anything.
This is hard for me to 'werap my mind around' as it truly doesn't make sense to me.


3,182 posted on 08/16/2005 8:57:42 AM PDT by Darksheare (This tagline has gone berserk! Run for your lives! _______\o/_______ Aiiiiie it's got me!)
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To: Darksheare

I am going to perform a search to determine if it has been posted. If not, then I am going to post it.


3,183 posted on 08/16/2005 8:59:27 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

If you want to.
Some people may have a cow about the article.
Most notably the open border types and the illegal immigrant apologists.
Keep that in mind, and you won't be surprised.


3,184 posted on 08/16/2005 9:00:47 AM PDT by Darksheare (This tagline has gone berserk! Run for your lives! _______\o/_______ Aiiiiie it's got me!)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Mr. T's English Class

Conjugate "pity"...

I pity
You pity
He, she, it pity
We pity
They pity
Y'all pity

...and use it in a sentence.

Pity the fool.


3,185 posted on 08/16/2005 9:00:57 AM PDT by HKMk23 (GoT this sweLl tagline oN eBay qith changE I fond in meye soFa. It's a "fixer.")
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Good to see you nonetheless. Do YOU know the words to the Winchell Mahoney Show theme song?


3,186 posted on 08/16/2005 9:01:12 AM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

...and how are Laura and Lulubelle? My little girl, my gentle little lamb, my sweet young princess... made Red Belt. *snort* Bring it on High school boys....


3,187 posted on 08/16/2005 9:02:54 AM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Conspiracy Guy ... whooo hoooo!


3,188 posted on 08/16/2005 9:15:22 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: Hi Heels

Good for her!


3,189 posted on 08/16/2005 9:17:30 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
Interesting that you managed to double post that one as well.

"There are two types of people in the world: Those who say things like 'there are two types of people in the world', and those who don't." - Lucille Kropotkin. The Probability Broach.

3,190 posted on 08/16/2005 9:17:37 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Darksheare

It is getting a bit fun over there: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1464400/posts


3,191 posted on 08/16/2005 9:46:17 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Dead Corpse; Conspiracy Guy; Tax-chick; tuliptree76; Monkey Face; King Prout; Army Air Corps
“There Are 10 Kinds Of People”

My computer argued with me, about my counting way,
“Something must be this or that. There’s no such thing as gray!”
I saw it had a point, of course. I try to be discrete.
But it was somewhat young to know that things can’t be that neat!

I know some things can turn you on, and others leave you cold,
But there is stuff to know, about which you’re not told,
And rounding errors do occur, we have to guess a lot.

The computer didn’t see it. “Something is, or it is not!”

Well, what is your opinion, then, of Love, and Death, and War?
Can you define the right of things, or what we’re fighting for?

“It may be that you’re right. I could be somewhat out of touch,
But anything I do not know, can not amount to much!”


NicknamedBob . . . . . . . . . . . August 16, 2005

3,192 posted on 08/16/2005 9:53:38 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: HKMk23

LOL


3,193 posted on 08/16/2005 10:35:10 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Warning.... Contents under pressure....)
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To: Hi Heels

Who is that?


3,194 posted on 08/16/2005 10:35:34 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Warning.... Contents under pressure....)
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To: Hi Heels

The ladies, Laura And LulaBelle are fine. Tails waggin.


3,195 posted on 08/16/2005 10:36:17 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Warning.... Contents under pressure....)
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To: Tax-chick

Where! Howdy. How you been?


3,196 posted on 08/16/2005 10:36:54 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Warning.... Contents under pressure....)
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To: Dead Corpse

Got distracted.


3,197 posted on 08/16/2005 10:37:24 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Warning.... Contents under pressure....)
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To: NicknamedBob

LOL


3,198 posted on 08/16/2005 10:38:31 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Warning.... Contents under pressure....)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

That'll happen. Especially if you have a pancake on your head.


3,199 posted on 08/16/2005 10:38:31 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Darn. Old puppet show. We were talking about it yesterday. No copies of the TV show remain. Destroyed during a contract negotiation.


3,200 posted on 08/16/2005 10:38:35 AM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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