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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: Monkey Face; NicknamedBob; Dead Corpse; Army Air Corps

We might have to change the uniform.


2,781 posted on 08/13/2005 6:25:35 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: NicknamedBob; tuliptree76

Not exactly what the VIXEN uniforms look like, right?


2,782 posted on 08/13/2005 6:26:06 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Monkey Face; tuliptree76; Army Air Corps
"...all I could hear was a badly suppressed gurgle..."

Oh, that was just the noise of the plumping pipes and noisy air-handling equipment.

I fear you have been letting your imagination run away with you, girl.

Where do you get such notions?
2,783 posted on 08/13/2005 6:28:19 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: Monkey Face; NicknamedBob; Dead Corpse; Army Air Corps

Hopefully there wasn't anyone laughing AT me.


2,784 posted on 08/13/2005 6:28:29 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: Monkey Face; Stellar Dendrite

Sorry to hear your skies weren't amenable to viewing the heavens last night. Spent an hour or more out between 1:30 and 3:00 and saw lots of action; mostly small but a few nice ones in the mix, too.

I saw an early arrival last week that left a glowing tail, lasted almost 4 seconds and fell to within 5 degrees of the horizon before going dark. That was by far the most spectacular event that I witnessed during this Perseid shower.


2,785 posted on 08/13/2005 6:31:29 PM PDT by HKMk23 (GoT this sweLl tagline oN eBay qith changE I fond in meye soFa. It's a "fixer.")
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To: NicknamedBob
I dunno...seems to be rather contagious, for some reason...maybe it was something I read?
2,786 posted on 08/13/2005 6:31:56 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
I'm SO happy to hear that your son came home. All of you were in my prayers. Now, I'm hoping that your dear doggie comes home!
2,787 posted on 08/13/2005 6:32:05 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Monkey Face

Would that be full Dolby surround soud?


2,788 posted on 08/13/2005 6:32:22 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: nopardons

*sigh*
I done TOLE you where to find the URL

1. run your mouse over the image you want to steal (be it here on FR, my profile, some other website, it durn't matter)

2. RIGHT MOUSE-BUTTON CLICK while over the image
a pop-up menu will appear, looking similar to the following:


{open link}
{open link in new window}
{save target as}
{print target}
/
{show picture}
save picture as...
email picture
print picture
go to My Pictures
set as background
set as desktop item
/
{cut}
copy
{copy shortcut}
{paste}
/
add to favorites
/
PROPERTIES



3. from the pop-up menu, select PROPERTIES. a new window shall appear, looking like the following:

[General]
[icon] "Name of Image"
/
Protocol: HTTP
Type: JPEG (or BMP, TIFF, GIF, etc...)
Address (URL): THE EXACT FULL URL OF THE IMAGE (begins with http://www.......)
Size: (file-size in Kilobytes or Megabytes)
Dimensions: width by height in pixels
/
created: mm/dd/yy
modified: mm/dd/yy
/
[OK] [Apply] [Cancel]


4. with your mouse, left-click and highlight the entire URL (NOT including the entry header "Address (URL)")

5. hit the keys [Ctrl] and [C] on your keyboard to copy the URL into your temporary clipboard

6. Hit "ok" to close that properties window

7. Proceed to post image as previously explained


2,789 posted on 08/13/2005 6:32:34 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: tuliptree76

:::They weren't exactly laughing...it was more like..."drooling":::


2,790 posted on 08/13/2005 6:33:07 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: NicknamedBob
Oh Oh...I have NO idea how to make anything smaller or larger.

I thank you for your HTML advice, though. :-)

2,791 posted on 08/13/2005 6:33:35 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Army Air Corps

Yepper...it would be. And wide scree...er I mean, according to them, the "equipment" was functioning properly.


2,792 posted on 08/13/2005 6:34:38 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: NicknamedBob

[..."width=XXX]

thank you!


2,793 posted on 08/13/2005 6:34:50 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: nopardons
note the [...." width=200]

that tells the computer to shrink (or enlarge) the image proportionally to a width of 200 pixels across. case in point: PsychoXMas at a reduced width of 25 pixels looks like this:


2,794 posted on 08/13/2005 6:37:42 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: King Prout; NicknamedBob

I usually use [...height=XX]


2,795 posted on 08/13/2005 6:37:55 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: King Prout; NicknamedBob; Army Air Corps; HKMk23; Stellar Dendrite; tuliptree76; ...

Well, it's time for me to make nice with he sheets again, so I'll leave you all to your fun. Just...well...try not to have too much fun without me, OK? I'll see you tomorrow.

Good looking hair-do, Ms PV!


2,796 posted on 08/13/2005 6:38:06 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: King Prout
And I done told you that I have NO MOUSE, I am mouseless; also brainless, when it comes to any/all of this.

I tell ya what...you post the pictures and I'll just hunt down the trolls and ping you all. :-)

2,797 posted on 08/13/2005 6:38:10 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Monkey Face
Would the monitoring equipment be a 60" LCD FPM? It has the image clarity necessary to...er...um...monitor things and stuff. Yeah, that's it, things and stuff.
2,798 posted on 08/13/2005 6:38:14 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Monkey Face

Thanks 'face. Good night!


2,799 posted on 08/13/2005 6:39:32 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: nopardons; Dawsonville_Doc

how can you have no mouse???????????????????

hrmn... there have to be keyboard navigation techniques for this

you, Doc?


2,800 posted on 08/13/2005 6:39:46 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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