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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: Monkey Face

Here is a sample, in just one thread of Dane's posts. Notice that this is from just that thread and only up to post 165:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1447104/posts?page=165#165


2,701 posted on 08/12/2005 11:30:09 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences.)
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To: Monkey Face

Nighty nite.


2,702 posted on 08/12/2005 11:35:39 PM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences.)
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To: KMB
Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed


That depends on how tough the President at that time would be. The President, if the SC overturned Roe v Wade, could attempt to stop federal funding for states that continued abortion among other things.
2,703 posted on 08/13/2005 1:00:34 AM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: TAquinas; Monkey Face; Stellar Dendrite

ATTENTION:

Anyone still lurking at this hour, get your tush out of doors and watch the Perseid meteor shower.


2,704 posted on 08/13/2005 1:13:38 AM PDT by HKMk23 (GoT this sweLl tagline oN eBay qith changE I fond in meye soFa. It's a "fixer.")
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To: HKMk23

LOL, I was asleep. Besides it was raining all night!


2,705 posted on 08/13/2005 7:59:15 AM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (The presence of "peace" is the absence of opposition to socialism -- Marx)
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To: Stellar Dendrite
Good morning!

have you decided to join our happy little crew?

2,706 posted on 08/13/2005 8:29:54 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (When I walk into Sanctuary the band plays "Sweet Home Alabama")
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To: TomasUSMC; tuliptree76; sionnsar; NicknamedBob; Tax-chick; All

Welcome to the Undead Thread III.

We like newcomers because they so seldom remain "new"...next thing you know they are in the day room or the kitchen, talking like they've been here for as long as the rest of us!

LOL!


2,707 posted on 08/13/2005 8:59:45 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Stellar Dendrite; HKMk23

We've had a lot of overcast skies here...:o[


2,708 posted on 08/13/2005 9:00:24 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Good morning!

I think. I also think I need some coffee...


2,709 posted on 08/13/2005 9:01:48 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Monkey Face
Just let me pour you a cup.

Breakfast tacos on the buffet this morning.


2,710 posted on 08/13/2005 9:06:49 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (When I walk into Sanctuary the band plays "Sweet Home Alabama")
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Sure, why not.....


2,711 posted on 08/13/2005 9:19:07 AM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (The presence of "peace" is the absence of opposition to socialism -- Marx)
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To: Monkey Face

Good afternoon 'Face.

I'll promise to be a good boy and never repeat gossip. It's important, tho, to read carefully the first time.


2,712 posted on 08/13/2005 9:33:42 AM PDT by TAquinas (Demographics has consequences.)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

What's this all about?



Some guidelines for posting on this thread.
Some highlights of this thread.
Spawn of the Undead Thread:
The August Chronicles

FReepmail sionnsar if you want on or off the ping list.
It is a low volume ping list (every few days).


2,713 posted on 08/13/2005 9:41:55 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Trad-Ang Ping: I read the dreck so you don't have to || Iran Azadi)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Yummy! Thanks!


2,714 posted on 08/13/2005 9:46:38 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Ugh that taco makes me want to puke!


2,715 posted on 08/13/2005 9:48:06 AM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (The presence of "peace" is the absence of opposition to socialism -- Marx)
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To: TAquinas

LOL!

I'm so sorry! Normally, I go to bed before everyone else, but last night, I stayed up to chat...well, to make a long story short, I couldn't get to sleep, so I am feeling it this morning.

My body is telling me I shouldn't do this too often...:o|


2,716 posted on 08/13/2005 9:49:20 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Stellar Dendrite; Harmless Teddy Bear

I dunno, Stellar...looks pretty good to me...but that's probably because I didn't have to fix it. ;o]


2,717 posted on 08/13/2005 9:50:31 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Stellar Dendrite
Well, you know where the cereal is. < /mother voice off >
2,718 posted on 08/13/2005 9:57:10 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (When I walk into Sanctuary the band plays "Sweet Home Alabama")
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
I made myself some of this:


2,719 posted on 08/13/2005 9:59:02 AM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (The presence of "peace" is the absence of opposition to socialism -- Marx)
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To: Monkey Face
Anything that I don't have to cook is good. At least usually.

I had a scrambled eggs with spenich, cheese, sausage, herbs, and pumpkin seeds the other day. Really different. Not sure if I liked it. If I make it at home I am going to cut back on the herbs. They rather overpowered the eggs.

2,720 posted on 08/13/2005 10:00:55 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (When I walk into Sanctuary the band plays "Sweet Home Alabama")
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