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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: NicknamedBob
The crowd will disperse with alacrity as soon as I start reading my poems...

:sniff: Those philistines do not understand true genius even when it is thrust upon them.

2,561 posted on 08/12/2005 7:21:46 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (When I walk into Sanctuary the band plays "Sweet Home Alabama")
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To: NicknamedBob

It makes too much sense; you'll never make it as a beatnik poet... :-)


2,562 posted on 08/12/2005 7:26:48 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: NicknamedBob

*snif-snif* No *snif* wonder I *snif* love you *snif-snif* so much!

That was *snif* beautiful, NnB!


2,563 posted on 08/12/2005 7:29:53 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Army Air Corps
Hmmm. Let's try this one...



Numbers


The world is what the world is,
You can’t make it perfect.
You can’t make it safe.
You can’t make it make sense.

If you live an average life,
Half the people that you come to know,
And love,

Will die,

Before you do.

This is a statistic. You can check it out.
It’s just numbers at work.
The cold equations.
Numbers at work.

Numbers.

Numb.

Nobody said that Life was fair.
One thing we know for sure.
Death is not fair.

It may be equal,
But it isn’t fair.

Young children shouldn’t die.
Healthy young adults shouldn’t die.

Old people, who have seen too much of sadness,
And have grown weary of the torment,
May welcome uninterrupted sleep.

But I’m getting tired of it.


NicknamedBob . . . . April 29, 2004

2,564 posted on 08/12/2005 7:34:18 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob

Personally, I do not have enough fingers to snap to show my approval.


2,565 posted on 08/12/2005 7:34:35 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: NicknamedBob

Most of the beatnik stuff that I have read is like this:

Velvet swirls
on the cosmic monkey

Howl!

Where is my rhubarb?
I beat a rythm on the dashboard
but the blind man cannot smirk.

I bought a tangerine
but it tasted of pennies
and I blew out the candle.


2,566 posted on 08/12/2005 7:40:21 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

Groovy!

*snap*

I like it!

*snap*

I bet you're proud enough to push your suspenders out!

*snap*


2,567 posted on 08/12/2005 7:43:33 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Wow! *snap* Cool, man! *snap* I dig it, Daddy-O! *snap-snap*


2,568 posted on 08/12/2005 7:44:29 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: NicknamedBob

Like, you are, like, too cool. Dig it.

Seriously, your original work is pretty damned good.


2,569 posted on 08/12/2005 7:45:05 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: NicknamedBob

LOL!
"Great minds!"


2,570 posted on 08/12/2005 7:45:22 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Army Air Corps; Harmless Teddy Bear; Monkey Face

Thanks!


2,571 posted on 08/12/2005 7:46:36 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob
:Tries to snap fingers:

That was boo-te-ful. I still want to know when you are going to publish a book of poetry.

2,572 posted on 08/12/2005 7:47:20 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (When I walk into Sanctuary the band plays "Sweet Home Alabama")
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To: NicknamedBob

(Heart-shaped hugs in your direction! And a few kissy things thrown in...)


2,573 posted on 08/12/2005 7:48:04 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Army Air Corps

I keep myself balanced by occupying both ends of the see-saw.


2,574 posted on 08/12/2005 7:48:15 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear; NicknamedBob

So do I.


2,575 posted on 08/12/2005 7:48:49 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Army Air Corps
Where is my rhubarb?

Isn't that the question we are all asking? Where is my rhubarb?

Deep. Very deep.

2,576 posted on 08/12/2005 7:49:00 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (When I walk into Sanctuary the band plays "Sweet Home Alabama")
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
"...I still want to know when ..."

I've been giving it more and more serious consideration.

What would you think of my putting a CD of my reading my poems in with the book?

2,577 posted on 08/12/2005 7:51:15 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear; Army Air Corps; NicknamedBob

I think I would rather not know where my rhubarb is. Or has been, thanks...


2,578 posted on 08/12/2005 7:51:22 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Hence, the "Howl!", man. Like, you really dig, Daddy-o.


2,579 posted on 08/12/2005 7:52:05 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: NicknamedBob

(Do I get a vote? I really AM still here, tonight...)


2,580 posted on 08/12/2005 7:52:54 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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