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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: NicknamedBob

I think, as a military wife for as long as I was, I know all I need to know about "methane gas"...


2,521 posted on 08/12/2005 6:17:28 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: tuliptree76

I said "Hello, how are you our Vixen?"


2,522 posted on 08/12/2005 6:17:43 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: tuliptree76

Hiya, Dr. Ms. PV!

How are you, and how is Winston?


2,523 posted on 08/12/2005 6:19:32 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: tuliptree76; Army Air Corps

He said, "Hi! How's our Vixen?"

(... and, truth to tell, I was thinking, "Our?")


2,524 posted on 08/12/2005 6:19:42 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob

(As was I...)


2,525 posted on 08/12/2005 6:22:16 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Army Air Corps

LOL! Makes more sense... The translator said it means "Hello, as these ours they vixen?"


2,526 posted on 08/12/2005 6:23:00 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: NicknamedBob; Monkey Face; Army Air Corps

Well, I guess I'm everyone's vixen, in a way. I'm used to squish your grapes.


2,527 posted on 08/12/2005 6:25:21 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: Army Air Corps; tuliptree76; Monkey Face; Darkchylde

I said "Hello, how are you our Vixen?"

_______________________________

Hmmm. That's a slightly different way of translating that, isn't it?

Perhaps some explanation is in order. Don't bother reading all this now, but you may be entertained to peruse it later, when guffaws will not disturb your neighbors.


Where to start reading about grape-squishing ... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/1163131/posts?page=44258#44258

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2,528 posted on 08/12/2005 6:25:44 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob; Monkey Face; Army Air Corps

And, Bob, you do have to share. ;-)


2,529 posted on 08/12/2005 6:26:23 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: NicknamedBob; SandyInSeattle
Thanks. I know you meant that as a compliment, but ... ... only chemical?

Everything is chemicals therefore if you are a fountain of chemical knowledge then you are a fountain of knowledge on everything.

Well, at least everything physical. I suppose the metaphysical would be a different story although some believe that it is not and that everything is actually chemical.

2,530 posted on 08/12/2005 6:27:02 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (When I walk into Sanctuary the band plays "Sweet Home Alabama")
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To: tuliptree76

Whoa, that IS a screwed-up translation!

"estas" is the familiar second person singular form for "estar". So, "como estas" is the familar way of saying "how are you". Nuestro is the possesive, first person plural (masculine or mixed gender).


2,531 posted on 08/12/2005 6:27:25 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

"...some believe that it is not and that everything is actually chemical."

Or it will be, at some future date...I prefer not to witness my own chemical changes, thanks...(or would that be "bio-degradable" changes...?)


2,532 posted on 08/12/2005 6:29:23 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: tuliptree76; Darksheare; Monkey Face; Army Air Corps
"And, Bob, you do have to share."

I do share.

I'm practically a Darkshare.

2,533 posted on 08/12/2005 6:31:12 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob

"Our" as in "belonging to the RKBA" not as in the "Royal We" sense of the word... :-)


2,534 posted on 08/12/2005 6:31:39 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Monkey Face
Please! Do that! I won't even buy the stuff because I think it is not only over-priced, but it tastes terrible!

LOL

2,535 posted on 08/12/2005 6:33:15 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Nice dancing.

You do realize I've had to deal with aeronautical design, orbital mechanics, mathematics, languages, and who knows what else in order to maintain the fiction of my infallibility, don't you?

Oh, don't forget clothing design...


2,536 posted on 08/12/2005 6:34:08 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob; Monkey Face; Army Air Corps

Oh, the memories...


2,537 posted on 08/12/2005 6:35:51 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: NicknamedBob
Thanks. I know you meant that as a compliment, but ... ... only chemical?

No, of course not! :-)

2,538 posted on 08/12/2005 6:40:08 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
"Everything is chemicals ..."

And so it was, in the Newtonian world.

Unfortunately, in the days of Rutherford and others, even before Einstein, no one could explain, if the Earth was as old as the Geologists would have it, what chemical process fueled the Sun?

It was thinking about that problem that led to our investigation, and somewhat understanding, of Nuclear phenomena, (and the microminiscule world of quantum physics, -- thanks Albert!)

2,539 posted on 08/12/2005 6:41:09 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob
Oh, don't forget clothing design...

You've become an expert at embroidering PV on my uniforms.

2,540 posted on 08/12/2005 6:41:41 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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