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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: Hi Heels

Danke!


2,341 posted on 08/12/2005 11:52:46 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Darksheare

"LOL! (Wish it was an actual book, would make for pretty hysterical skits in troll threads.)"

Well, I have some thick books in my library. I could always send a digital photo thereof to someone with Photoshop skills...


2,342 posted on 08/12/2005 11:54:13 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Yepper. I was left on the pavement in the rain, and according to the ambulance driver, I was "going to die, anyway, so why hurry?"

They looked pretty sheepish when they came to my room to confirm my lack of demise...


2,343 posted on 08/12/2005 11:54:19 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Army Air Corps

I have zero photoshop talent.
:(


2,344 posted on 08/12/2005 11:55:35 AM PDT by Darksheare (Small furry woodland creature falls to vorpal blade, film at eleven!)
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To: Darksheare

Well, an old friend of mine has some good P-shop skills...


2,345 posted on 08/12/2005 11:56:26 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: King Prout

VERY GOOD shanty, KP!

The heart of a poet is always a good heart. ;o]


2,346 posted on 08/12/2005 12:05:36 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Darkchylde; Darksheare; Dead Corpse; tuliptree76; NicknamedBob; SandyInSeattle; Tax-chick; ...

Hey, Girl! It's good to see you again!

(I know...I'm late, but I'm trying to catch up with last night's revelry, so please excuse me...)


2,347 posted on 08/12/2005 12:12:21 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: King Prout

"...the coriolis effect gets further complicated by:
a. the presence of significant landmasses and changes in elevation
b. seasons
c. large area thermal and moisture variables"

You forgot to mention that all the winds of the entire world originate at the South Pole. They are called "Katabatic Winds," and they are why there is an actual desert on Antarctica.

From Antarctica, they are then dispersed to all the world, and find themselves back there, via the upper atmosphere, to do the entire thing again.


2,348 posted on 08/12/2005 12:18:49 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Darkchylde

I'll put you on my very own ping list! Wait! I already did! That means I have to use it more often!


2,349 posted on 08/12/2005 12:24:00 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: King Prout; Darkchylde
"...by the way: please welcome a dear friend and family member to the Nuthatch - DarkChylde"

Welcome...officially!


What's this all about?



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2,350 posted on 08/12/2005 12:27:58 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Monkey Face

Well I, for one, am very glad you did not meet your demise that day.

My ambulance crew loitered around on the scene for nearly half an hour, admiring my wreck, chatting with the cops. It wasn't until they noticed that I had sat myself down in the back of the patrol car, laid my head down, and closed my eyes that they panicked and thought maybe they should get a move on.


2,351 posted on 08/12/2005 12:37:16 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: King Prout

I'm not sure if I've every seen Jaws or not.

I went to it, at a drivein on a first date with an octopus named Michael. I had a hard time concentrating on the screen; I was far too busy batting his hands away.


2,352 posted on 08/12/2005 12:43:39 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Thanks! I'm glad you made it through yours, as well...at least ONE of us can grow plants!

(I finally caught up with all the posts! *gasp*)

I have things to do in my life, so it "wasn't my time" if you believe those things.

Had it not been for an aquaintance of mine (who later became my fiance, and who was, later still, killed in a car accident of his own) I would have expired on the asphalt in the rain.

Besides...I had to live long enough to give some trolls some grief!

LOL!

;o]


2,353 posted on 08/12/2005 12:46:04 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Monkey Face; All

Happy Friday afternoon!


2,354 posted on 08/12/2005 1:07:15 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: fanfan

Same to ya!

How are things in Canada? Specifically, the troublesome hibiscus?


2,355 posted on 08/12/2005 1:09:02 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Monkey Face

It's just begging to go into the fire pit.
Lucky for it, it's been too dry for a while to have a bon-fire.....but it rained yesterday, so it's time on this earth is limited.

Vat's new vith you?


2,356 posted on 08/12/2005 1:12:42 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: fanfan

Wishing I had had the stamina to stick around last night! The place got really busy! And I missed it. *whine-whine*

And I'm wondering if the monsoons are really gone, or if it was just a figleaf of the weatherman's imagination...;o]


2,357 posted on 08/12/2005 1:16:00 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Monkey Face; fanfan

Hi, y'all. We worked on cleaning the garage this morning; the late cat left quite a mess. I'm exhausted!


2,358 posted on 08/12/2005 1:17:02 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: Tax-chick

The late cat was driving your VAN?????


2,359 posted on 08/12/2005 1:18:15 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: M Kehoe
Nice monkier.

Thanks. It's one of my life goals to actually own one, be able to complete a Practical Pistol Course with it and perform well. As I live in CA, this may take awhile.

BTW, regarding spell-checkers: sum daze nutting ghostwrite.

2,360 posted on 08/12/2005 1:18:28 PM PDT by HKMk23 (GoT tHis sweLl tagline oN eBay qith chngE I fond in meye soFa)
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