Potential Republican Crack-Up

[KMB]

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.

[tuliptree76]

I love sci-fi and mythology too. But for some reason I just haven't gotten around to watching it.

[King Prout]

we now have a troll-stomping shanty...

(MUST be sung like Quint from Jaws)

Farewell and adieu to you lame trollish baby,
Farewell and adieu to you troll so damn lame;
For you've received voltage fit to fry up your body,
And no one, save DUmmies, shall see ye again.

(chorus)
We’ll rant and we’ll roar like true Viking Kitties,
We’ll rant and we’ll rave, and stomp your guts out,
Till we strike to concrete through your ruined carcase -
Your end in destruction was never in doubt!

You babble and curse like a true drooling motard,
Your babbling posts lack all logic and sense;
George Soros has funded your meatpuppet antics -
Delightful, this waste of his dollars and cents!

We’ll rant and we’ll roar like true Viking Kitties,
We’ll rant and we’ll rave, and stomp your guts out,
Till we strike to concrete through your ruined carcase -
Your end in destruction was never in doubt!

We've given you leeway and chances uncounted,
We've given you leeway, and coddled you, dear;
But now you've been cornered by your own short-comings -
Deserving of mocking, and worthy of jeer.

We’ll rant and we’ll roar like true Viking Kitties,
We’ll rant and we’ll rave, and stomp your guts out,
Till we strike to concrete through your ruined carcase -
Your end in destruction was never in doubt!

You burble and drool, an inveterate ass-hat,
You ALL-CAP and mis-spell, and bumble your tense;
Posting absurdity void of all reason -
An illiterate peon who never repents.

We’ll rant and we’ll roar like true Viking Kitties,
We’ll rant and we’ll rave, and stomp your guts out,
Till we strike to concrete through your ruined carcase -
Your end in destruction was never in doubt!

Your errors are many, your logic is absent,
Your cranial vacuum all your posts betray;
Your break from reality all data point to -
You'll wind up committed, some sunny day.

We’ll rant and we’ll roar like true Viking Kitties,
We’ll rant and we’ll rave, and stomp your guts out,
Till we strike to concrete through your ruined carcase -
Your end in destruction was never in doubt!

You gibber and bark like a retarded moonbat,
You quiver and belch, lacking all elegance;
In a duel of words, your blade's a limp noodle -
Unarmed and outmastered, unable to fence.

We’ll rant and we’ll roar like true Viking Kitties,
We’ll rant and we’ll rave, and stomp your guts out,
Till we strike to concrete through your ruined carcase -
Your end in destruction was never in doubt!

Oh, hedging and dodging are skills you have mastered,
Yes, hedging and dodging are your stock-in-trade;
You'll never own up to your self-made disaster,
Your name and your honor, of dung are they made.

We’ll rant and we’ll roar like true Viking Kitties,
We’ll rant and we’ll rave, and stomp your guts out,
Till we strike to concrete through your ruined carcase -
Your end in destruction was never in doubt!

Now let every last Kittie toss off a full bumper,
And let every last Kittie toss off a dull troll;
And we'll drink and be merry and drown melancholy,
Singing, here's a good health to all true-hearted souls.

We’ll rant and we’ll roar like true Viking Kitties,
We’ll rant and we’ll rave, and stomp troll guts out,
We'll cover with tarmac their charred bloody ruin -
And dance jigs on their gravesites, have never a doubt!

[nopardons]

When you do, if you do, please let me know what your reaction to it is. :-)

[King Prout]

I will pardon you, nopardons.

(sheesh... next tshe'll say she's never seen The Terminator)

[nopardons]

I love your song...errrrr shanty. But I've never seen "JAWS", so could you explain that allusion?

[nopardons]

Ummmmmmmm...nope, I have never seen THE TERMINATOR. I did see CONAN THE BARBARIAN; does that count ? :-)

[King Prout]

But I've never seen "JAWS",

oh... MY... GAWD!!!

[tuliptree76]

LOL!

[tuliptree76]

Will do.

[King Prout]

I have never seen THE TERMINATOR

AAAAAAUUUUUUUUUGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

I did see CONAN THE BARBARIAN; does that count ?

gasp! choke! [expires]

[nopardons]

*shrugs*

What can I say? I am, after all, the DOWAGER here. That means that I'm older than most of you. hehehehehehehehehehe

I think that when JAWS cam out, I had a baby and it was almost impossible to get a sitter, so I missed a lot of movies from back then.

[tuliptree76]

I have seen all of the Terminators and Jaws. So will that save my backside?

[Darksheare]

"consider yourself mightily spanked til your cheeks glow in the dark, Vixen!"

"Oh, and welcome to the RKBA, AAC. That was the official ceremony. "

I think I like this ceremony.
(Kidding!)

[Darksheare]

Yes, that might work.

[King Prout]

Quint is a central character - a salty old shark-hunter, captain and master of the good ship Orca.

Beyond that, no explanation can suffice - it is like parachuting: if you ain't done it, an explanation can't convey it; if you have done it, no explanation is needed.

[nopardons]

*giggle*

More strawberry tarts, sire? :-)

[King Prout]

no, but it will earn a soothing-oil post-spank rubdown

[TASMANIANRED]

It's going to take a while to memorize that.

applause...author, author.

[nopardons]

Maybe, maybe not...but remember that I am the keeper of the Royal dungeons. :-)

[Army Air Corps]

I lost my concentration after the word "spanked"...