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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: Monkey Face

Okey-Dokey


2,001 posted on 08/11/2005 11:29:16 AM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: Monkey Face

OK...who's making it lag...?


2,002 posted on 08/11/2005 11:29:23 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Monkey Face

Got a lot of lag on that one.


2,003 posted on 08/11/2005 11:29:28 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Dead Corpse

It was all your fault!

LOL!

Congrats!


2,004 posted on 08/11/2005 11:30:03 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Monkey Face
I blame fanfan. ;-)


2,005 posted on 08/11/2005 11:30:26 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Monkey Face

Looks like when I'm actually online and paying attention, I can still nab 'em. ;-)


2,006 posted on 08/11/2005 11:31:11 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: Monkey Face
Faith No More- Falling to Pieces

Back and forth, I sway with the wind
Resolution slips away again
Right through my fingers, back into my heart
Where it's out of reach and it's in the dark
Sometimes I think I'm blind
Or I may be just paralyzed

Because the plot thickens every day
And the pieces of my puzzle keep crumblin' away
But I know, there's a picture beneath
Indecision clouds my vision
No one listens...
Because I'm somewhere in between
My love and my agony
You see, I'm somewhere in between
My life is falling to pieces
Somebody put me together

Layin' face down on the ground
My fingers in my ears to block the sound
My eyes shut tight to avoid the sight
Anticipating the end, losing the will to fight
Droplets of yes and no
In an ocean of maybe
From the bottom, it looks like a steep incline
From the top, another downhill slope of mine
But I know, the equilibrium's there
Indecision clouds my vision
No one listens

Because I'm somewhere in between
My love and my agony
You see, I'm somewhere in between
My life is falling to pieces
Somebody put me together

Work Beckons... Later all...

2,007 posted on 08/11/2005 11:37:20 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: tiamat
hmmm... I am Elrond.

But but but.... I'm a GIRL.

2,008 posted on 08/11/2005 11:40:02 AM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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To: Dead Corpse

Yes! You can! :o]


2,009 posted on 08/11/2005 11:43:36 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Hi Heels

Yah...me too, the first time I took it...I decided I'd better put in on my bio page so there would be less confusion...

NOT!


2,010 posted on 08/11/2005 11:46:15 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Monkey Face
Only two questions I had some doubt on, so I changed them, and now I'm Aragorn.....
2,011 posted on 08/11/2005 11:59:03 AM PDT by Hi Heels (Guns kill and cause crime? Dang, mine must be malfunctioning....)
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To: Hi Heels

LOL! Good work!


2,012 posted on 08/11/2005 12:01:43 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: tiamat
"I am "tiamat" in honor of a very draconic friend of mine."

Hold it. (~ignoramous like moi *must* look that word up -- just take a sec)
I suspect it's the root of "draconian" thanks to the 'Rats -- a word we're all-too-familiar with -- I want to be certain in keeping with a conservative's unexplainable drive to be correct. ;^)

--ahhhh yes, from Draco!!
The good ol' 7th century Athenian statesman *&* lawyer.
Gee whiz look what the lawyer part did for this guy.
Killed his reputation for what, 1,400 years? It's an in-joke."

HA!!
Well there it is, that explains it.
I'm not *in*. {Story of my life.}

"And I'm 4'11"..."

Whoaaaa.
Y'know Swedes have a word for you, tia.
Yup, "Shrimpkin".
OTOH I now have more of an appreciation for your eluding to small people doing big things. {g}

...not NEARLY tall and skinny enough to be Galadrial!"

Possibly.
But a *midget* in a Land of the Giants ain't bad, either.

That is.

...gams notwithstanding. ;^)

2,013 posted on 08/11/2005 12:03:57 PM PDT by Landru (Ahhhh the bravery of being out of range... *sweet*.)
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To: Army Air Corps
"Dang! They smoked yer hi-fi..."

They did.
Jerks.
Democrats, all.

"...if that don't just give you the red a$$."

How kind of you to empathize, AAC.
Are you of the body?

Still have a few Absorption Chambers left over, y'know.
Had 'em disguised as telephone booths.
Totally missed 'em; so, it ain't too late to really *feel* the Love of Landru.
Just a FYI. ;^)

"Did you at least get a new stereo to replace it?"

I did.
7,500 Altec-Lansing A15 Voice of the Theaters now reside in geostationary orbit 'round Beta 3.
Play Grand Funk Railroad's Greatest Hits 24&7.
They go nuts everyday, now,.

Of course had I wanted to be spiteful, drive 'em *all* insane?
I'd have ordered Bruce Springsteen, Melissa Etheridge *and/or* K.T.Lang be played, in rotation.

Naturally there'd have been a run on "Lobotomies", and on Beta 3 we *still* don't have Universal Hillary-care.
So [some] tough decisions had to be made, in the best interest(s) of & on behalf of Beta's resident humans.
And I ask you who better to preside over such matters than I, *Landru*? {~know anyone else *better* qualified? thought not.}

"Two turntables and a microphone - where it's at!"

HA!!
*Turntable*??
~oy vey.

Why you *are* an "oldy".

...aren'tcha. {g}

2,014 posted on 08/11/2005 12:27:27 PM PDT by Landru (Ahhhh the bravery of being out of range... *sweet*.)
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To: Landru
"Two turntables and a microphone - where it's at!"

Well, this dude seems to insist on them...


he plugs them in at least one song...
2,015 posted on 08/11/2005 12:34:55 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: tiamat
Thanks, that was fun. I'm Elond.

Elrond

Elrond

A stern yet benevolent organizer who often knows best, your wits are keenly fixed on aiding efforts you deem worthy.

Now at this last we must take a hard road, a road unforseen. There lies our hope, if hope it be. To walk into peril to Mordor.

2,016 posted on 08/11/2005 12:53:27 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Honor - Dignity - Courage)
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To: Army Air Corps
Jeff Beck, in his younger years?
Is that who that is?

If so, that man ranks amoung the best axmen of all time.

Easily.

...*hands-down*.

2,017 posted on 08/11/2005 12:56:03 PM PDT by Landru (Ahhhh the bravery of being out of range... *sweet*.)
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To: Landru

Naw, that is Beck Hansen; his pop is David Campbell.


2,018 posted on 08/11/2005 1:03:06 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: tiamat; Darksheare; Darkchylde; King Prout; Dead Corpse; Knitting A Conundrum; TASMANIANRED; ...
Which Fantasy/SciFi Character Are You?
2,019 posted on 08/11/2005 1:08:07 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

Well, now...

That's cool, actually. Michael Dorn is pretty neat...


2,020 posted on 08/11/2005 1:21:50 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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