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More Troops Killed- Who's Responsible?
Sacto Dan Blog ^ | 06/24/2005 | Sacto Dan

Posted on 06/24/2005 12:03:41 PM PDT by sactodan

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A suicide bomber in a vehicle killed two U.S. Marines and left four troops unaccounted for when it exploded near their convoy in Falluja, the volatile city west of Baghdad, a U.S. military official said Friday.

Why does the insurgency in Iraq seem to be gaining in determination, instead of fading away? The majority of Iraqi's expressed a clear desire for democracy in their historic election.

There are at least two reasons that come to mind. One is instigation by Syria and Iran. American success is not in their interest so they will do what they can to hinder our progress.

The second reason lies at home. There is a rift between supporters of the war and those against it. Republicans largely back the President and support the war. Democrats largely oppose the the war and do so persistently and vocally. Democratic opposition ranges from calling for withdrawal from Iraq to comparing American Troop behavior to Nazi's and Stalinists.

When Al Jazeera reports the dissent by some American Political leaders the insurgents gain hope that they can drive us out. Coming to a conclusion that increased attacks on American troops will further weaken the US's determination to win is reasonable to assume.

One might wonder why the Democrats would engage active and vocal opposition to the war when it would be over more quickly and fewer lives would be lost if we showed the world a unified front. It appears they have put their political aspirations ahead of the country's interests.

By giving hope to the insurgents, Durbin, Kennedy and Pelosi for example appear to be unwitting assistants to the insurgency. Though they claim to be patriotic Americans, and in their minds they no doubt are, the net effect of their opposition is more dead American Soldiers.


TOPICS: Government; History; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: democrat; durbin; insurgent; iraq; kennedy; pelosi; republican; war

1 posted on 06/24/2005 12:03:52 PM PDT by sactodan
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To: sactodan

I know all of Iraq is a combat zone, but what is the percentage of troops killed by IED's rather than in firefights etc?

Is there anything that can be done to protect the troops better from IED's?


2 posted on 06/24/2005 12:12:33 PM PDT by garyhope ( com)
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To: sactodan
For the sake of perspective my grandfather was wounded by a roadside bomb in Germany in 1947. That's two years after the war.

In this case as in that, the terrorists are solely responsible for the attacks.
3 posted on 06/24/2005 12:18:32 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I zot trolls for fun and profit.)
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To: sactodan
Is that the actual headline? It's the dumbest damn question I've seen in a while. The Killers are responsible! Secondarily, those who give aid and comfort and support to our enemies through their words and deeds are responsible. Is it coincidence that the attacks have increased while the state of Gitmo discussion rages???
4 posted on 06/24/2005 12:20:36 PM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: garyhope
I read an article a few days ago that went into detail about the counter measures and counter-countermeasures for IEDs in Iraq. Basically the gist of the article was that the there have been three more or less evolutions in the technological use of the IEDs - every time we come up with an affective countermeasure they come up with something more sophisticated. the article said that IED attacks on the US troops were way down lately due to us gaining the upper hand in the technological battle and the terrorists attacking the Iraqi defense forces more instead of our troops.
5 posted on 06/24/2005 12:23:15 PM PDT by vabeachrepub
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To: Rummyfan

The Killers are responsible!

Amen to that.


6 posted on 06/24/2005 12:23:43 PM PDT by vabeachrepub
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To: garyhope

"Is there anything that can be done to protect the troops better from IED's?"


You go to war with the army you have, not the army you want.


7 posted on 06/24/2005 12:25:23 PM PDT by Blzbba (Let them hate us as long as they fear us - Caligula)
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To: sactodan

By giving hope to the insurgents, Durbin, Kennedy and Pelosi for example appear to be unwitting assistants to the insurgency.

Unwitting?
Hardly, American lives mean nothing in their quest to regain
POWER.


8 posted on 06/24/2005 12:27:31 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Blzbba

Rummy! I didn't know you were a FReeper!


9 posted on 06/24/2005 12:27:31 PM PDT by lugsoul ("She talks and she laughs." - Tom DeLay)
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To: lugsoul

I saw a recent article (source?) that said the IED's are the number 1 cause of death in Iraq, and that traffic accidents are number 2.

Perhaps someone can verify this with a source....


10 posted on 06/24/2005 12:42:59 PM PDT by lOKKI (You can ignore reality until it bites you in the ass.)
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To: cripplecreek

That's interesting. I thought there were no allied troop deaths after WWII in Germany. I know that there were Nazi plans for resistance, but that fell apart. Perhaps your grandfather struck an old landmine?

But even if your granddad was killed by Nazi insurgents, I think it's the wrong arguement to make. SO WHAT if there were no deaths after WWII ended? The issue on the table was that Saddam was intending to plan a way to accure WMDs, and then give them to terrorists.

I think Americans are wimping out big-time. You didn't see our grandparents whine after 1700 deaths, did you? The president warned Americans that the War on Terror would be a generational confilict. It's better that we are fighting the terrorists in Iraq than in Atlanta.


11 posted on 06/24/2005 2:14:56 PM PDT by DeepRed
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To: DeepRed

"Nazi plans for resistance, but that fell apart. Perhaps your grandfather struck an old landmine?"


No. There was quite a strong resistence to our occupation of Germany. For the most part the "werewolves" assasinated German officials working with the allies but targets of opportunity killed quite a few allies after the war. The resistence was ultimately ended by the German people who were simply fed up.


12 posted on 06/24/2005 2:21:58 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I zot trolls for fun and profit.)
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To: cripplecreek
There was quite a strong resistence to our occupation of Germany. For the most part the "werewolves.

I've never seen shred of evidence showing the existence of the "werewolves". I believe that this rumor was completely discredited sometime back in the late 1940's.

It's amazing how it keeps popping up.

13 posted on 06/24/2005 5:05:21 PM PDT by skip_intro
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To: cripplecreek

Maybe the trolls who are saying there was no Nazi resistance after WWII would like to tell Mark Levin, he is a liar:

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June 01, 2004, 2:33 p.m.
A Familiar Place
It got ugly in postwar Germany, too.



With all the nay saying about our presence in Iraq, it's worth noting that none of these difficulties are particularly new. No postwar occupation has been without serious challenges, including the occupation of Germany after World War II. The New York Times ran a series of news stories in late 1945 reporting, in part, the following:

"Germans Reveal Hate of Americans," October 31, 1945

The German attitude toward the American occupation forces has swung from apathy and surface friendliness to active dislike. According to a military government official, this is finding expression in the organization of numerous local anti-American organizations throughout the zone and in a rapid increase in the number of attacks on American soldiers. There were more such attacks in the first week of October than in the preceding five months of the occupation, this source declared.
This official views the situation as so serious that he and others are protesting the withdrawal of 1,600 experienced military-government officers form the German governments on township, county and regional levels between Nov. 1 and Dec. 15. "We have been talking since the summer about the trouble that we expect this winter," the source said. "That trouble has now begun and we meet it with a plan to withdraw officers from communities where trouble is already being encountered.


"Loss of Victory in Germany Through U.S. Policy Feared," November 18, 1945

Grave concern was expressed today by informed officials that the United States might soon lose the fruits of victory in Germany through the failure to prepare adequately for carrying out its long-term commitments under the Potsdam Declaration. Government failures were attributed in part to public apathy. The predictions of a coming crisis are predicated upon three points:
1) The failure to start training a civilian corps of administrators to take over when the Army's Military Government pulls out of Germany by June 1.

2) The failure of the Government to set up an expert advisory group, such as that which existed in the Foreign Economic Administration's Enemy Branch to back up the American administrators of Germany with informed advice and provide a focal point in Washington for policy-making on the German question.

3) The failure of the Allies to decide together, or the United States for itself, the crucial economic question raised by the Potsdam Declaration; namely what level of German economic activity is desired over the long term?


"Germans Declare Americans Hated," December 3, 1945

An exhaustive compilation of opinions of Germans in all walks of life on their reaction to the United States occupation of their country was released this afternoon from the confidential status under which it was submitted to officials of the United States Forces in the European Theatre recently.
Bitter resentment and deep disappointment was voiced over the Americans' first six months of occupation, though there was some praise for the improvements in transportation, health conditions, book publishing and entertainment.


"German Election Set In Towns of U.S. Zone," December 19, 1945

United States Seventh Army headquarters announced today that plans had been completed for initial German elections in January at Gemuende. A statement said that a vast majority of Germans remained passive in attitude toward politics and displayed no disposition to take over civic responsibilities.
I think we can agree that the postwar occupation of Germany, and the rest of Europe, worked out quite well, despite numerous difficulties and the best efforts of the New York Times to highlight them — as it does today in postwar Iraq.

Mark R. Levin is president of Landmark Legal Foundation and talk-radio host on WABC 770 AM in New York.


14 posted on 06/25/2005 6:24:39 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 5 decades.)
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To: garyhope
I know all of Iraq is a combat zone, but what is the percentage of troops killed by IED's rather than in firefights etc?

Lately, IEDs (and VBIEDs) have become the primary method the terrorists use and are the top killer right now.

15 posted on 06/25/2005 6:31:15 AM PDT by Allegra (But It's A Dry Heat...)
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To: Grampa Dave

I am quite comfortable with the fact that my grandfather was an honest man. I appreciate the back up anyway.


16 posted on 06/25/2005 6:32:04 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I zot trolls for fun and profit.)
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To: cripplecreek

I, also, trust the History Channel more than I do trolls/moles on Free Republic to document history.


17 posted on 06/25/2005 6:36:29 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The MSM has been a WMD, Weapon of Mass Disinformation for the Rats for at least 5 decades.)
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