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I believe Putin ran the Belsan thing in Chechneya and basically runs al Queda
Iran's Nuclear Option, AJ Venter | 2-22-05 | strategofr

Posted on 02/22/2005 4:17:49 AM PST by strategofr

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To: strategofr
Look, everyone is new once, so I'll give you some free and friendly advice.

If you survive this, read a lot, read the front page.

Learn the rules, written and unwritten.

Post only on existing threads for a while, gain some credibility.

Learn which threads/posters/topics interest you.

Often, there is an existing thread, where your opinion will fit in.

Be prepared to back up your posts with hard facts.

If you state an opinion, mark it so, and explain why you believe it.

Lots of real sharp folks here, learn from them.

Develop a real thick skin, then grow it thicker.

101 posted on 02/22/2005 9:55:04 PM PST by 506trooper (No such thing as too much guns, ammo or fuel on board...unless you're on fire)
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To: strategofr
beslan

beslan

beslan

beslan

I'll tell you what I think. I think most of you are islamic terrorist supporters who want to deflect the blame for one of the most horrific acts ever done to someone else. Which, if true, puts you among the lowliest humans on earth.

I have studied chechen terrorists and especially Basayev since I had the "opportunity" to visit there, and I know a chechen act when I see one. This thing had every famous Basayev trademark all over it. I don't really appreciate your attempt to erase the blame for what was done by some of the most subhumans on earth. I have been reading chechen terrorist sites for the last 7 years on a pretty regular basis. A lot of people think it was the chechens who taught the Iraquis about snuff films with beheadings. I have in the past been an advocate for a new large parking lot - chechnya. I guess you think Putin was behind the human slave trade markets in Urus-Martin and Grozny, as well as the multiple and brutal kidnapping of children who were then mutilated on films which were sent to their parents?

The problem with this possibility is that the chechens are so stupid they filmed themselves committing acts of torture and brutality.

I am really sick and tired of those of your ilk.

You badly need an education, so I recommend a book called the Wolves of Islam.

102 posted on 02/22/2005 9:59:52 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: MarMema
Someone sent me mail about TG a couple of months ago, so I'm clued in on him.

It was very educational to lurk as long as I did.

Folks here are really good about explaining things to new folks if they come in the right way, and I always go to the historical stuff just to better understand this place.

I was lurking the night Buckhead challenged the memo...I'll never forget it.

103 posted on 02/22/2005 10:00:59 PM PST by 506trooper (No such thing as too much guns, ammo or fuel on board...unless you're on fire)
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To: strategofr
And while you are at it, learn something about the horrors the Russians have had to live with on their borders for a long time now.

chechnya

104 posted on 02/22/2005 10:02:34 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: 506trooper

Wow you have already been part of history here.


105 posted on 02/22/2005 10:03:27 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: MarMema
Not part of it, but at least an observer of it.

Thing about it, I was in the military 64 - 84 and remember most lower level units didn't have the ability to type superscripts, during GWB's years of service.

I didn't remember that till Buckhead posted it...I let out a yell that caused the dog to bark for 15 minutes and the cat to hide under the bed..heck of a thing.

106 posted on 02/22/2005 10:13:07 PM PST by 506trooper (No such thing as too much guns, ammo or fuel on board...unless you're on fire)
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To: strategofr
Who cares what you believe? Have you ever even been to Russia, lived there, spoken to the people, bothered to learn anything about the culture or the language?

Did you even know in your haste to paint a picture of Putin as a tyrannist that his suggestion to have the outlying governors appointed rather than voted for was because of the corruption that led to the children being killed at Beslan?

Did you even know that he got the idea from his good friend Berlusconi, who was at his home visiting while they were watching our election returns and rooting for Bush?
Did you know that for many years Italy has had appointment of all regional governors? Does that make Berlusconi a tyrant too?

Did you know that the appointments can be vetoed at the local levels by councils there? That's more democratic than the way Italy does it. Why is it always Putin who is the bad guy? You people buy into the same liberal crap they dispense about him in Russia that the liberals dispense here about Bush.

107 posted on 02/22/2005 10:15:59 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: 506trooper
I didn't remember that till Buckhead posted it.

You must have been amazed. Your poor pets! :-)

There have been some really great things that have come from this forum. And if you ever get the chance to meet Jim, do it. He's an angel in disguise.

108 posted on 02/22/2005 10:17:38 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: MarMema
I went to my file of old military papers and orders to double check.

Clerk typists had the ability to roll the platen to get the ss effect, but it wasn't true superscript.....no one bothered to do it, slowed 'em down; in all my documents, all I had was nnth, and that was the accepted way of doing it..I just laughed and laughed.

109 posted on 02/22/2005 10:24:18 PM PST by 506trooper (No such thing as too much guns, ammo or fuel on board...unless you're on fire)
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To: 506trooper

I bet you did! Old Rather is doing his formal retirement thing now, isn't he? I thought I heard something about that happening this week....


110 posted on 02/22/2005 10:58:15 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: 506trooper

Everyone's different.


111 posted on 02/22/2005 11:12:34 PM PST by strategofr
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To: MarMema

We'll see.


112 posted on 02/22/2005 11:13:28 PM PST by strategofr
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To: MarMema

Your post is pretty sobering. You seem to have a lot of knowlege on this specific subject, and you are making me re-think my theory here. But not making me re-think my basic view of Putin and the current Russian government, which is based on very extensive reading.

However, you are mistaken about my identity. I am not an Islamic terrorist or sympathizer. I am an American Jew who is, in fact, a Conservative Republican and worked hard (as a phone volunteer) to help to elect George Bush.

Furthermore, I am not uneducated, in general, about terrorism, despite any deficiencies I may have about Beslan and Chechnya. If anyone was really curious, they could look up my posts on strategypage.com (SP) under my rubric there, stratego. However, there is one problem, SP does not have a search engine to find my posts. I am only saying this to state that my positions on terrorism have been stated in much detail on the Web already.


Here is the Table of Contents of the 80 pages of Campaign Notes I wrote for the 2004 Election campaign. Anyone who is really interested and does not mind signing up for a Microsoft website can go to

http://groups.msn.com/2004CampaignNotes/_whatsnew.msnw

and download the document themselves.

Introduction 2
How to Use the Table of Contents 2
Online Version 2
Glossary 2
Campaign Details 3
Phone Callers Get Thirsty 3
Barriers and Noise 4
Large Fonts---Phone Callers Need to Read the Names and Phone Numbers on the Calling Lists 5
Call Center Manager Needs to be Trained on Cell Phones 5
No Victory Center or Caller Should Ever Run Out of Leads 6
Talking Points Sheets for Volunteer Phone Callers 7
Campaign Procedure Information Sheets for Phone Callers---Specific to Each Type of Call 8
“Response Codes” Should be Printed at the Top of Each Sheet of Names and Numbers to Be Called 9
Call Checking Reconsidered 10
Debates 10
Kerry Cheated in the First Debate---It is a Video-Documented, Drudge-Reported Fact 15
Democrat Violence and Misdemeanors in 2004 17
Democrat Fraud 19
Main Stream Media Misinformation about Bush’s November 1, 2004 Visit to the Pittsburgh Area 21
Bush Campaign Too Weak on Economics: Ignored Obvious Points or Caught Them Too Late 22
Campaign Tactics 25
A Few Words on Doors 25
The Important Problem of the Need for Poll Watchers in Dangerous Neighborhoods 27
Low-Level Volunteers Must be Served 27
Don’t Waste Volunteer Resources by Turning Them Away---Instead, Energize 28
Volunteers Spending Their Own Money on What They Need 31
A Volunteer Campaign of Unlimited Size and Duration Made Possible by All-Volunteer Victory Centers 32
Advanced and Beginning Callers 33
Scripts and Other Materials from the National Party Must be Idiot-Proof 35
Sets of Procedures for Victory Center Volunteers and Managers Must be Produced at a National Level 36
Republican Attack on Blue Areas: Nibble Around the Edge of the Cookie 37
Two Way Information Flow 37
The Structure of National Online’s Expanded Accessibility to Writers During the Election---And Wider Implications 43
Campaigning Over Longer Periods with Small Volunteer Efforts 45
Rewards for Volunteers 47
Campaign Strategy 47
Notes on Democrat Lawbreaking and Violence 47
Absolutely No Republican Vigilante Response 53
It Was a Mistake for Republicans and Friendly Media to Drop the Issue of Democrat Violence and Misdemeanors in the 2004 Campaign 56
Republicans Have Demonstrated How Effective They Can Be to Forestall Illegal Democrat Action With Their 2004 Anti-Ballot Box Stuffing Strategy 57
Each Voter Must Show a Driver’s License or Legally Equivalent ID---Eliminate Provisional Ballots 60
Republican Failure to Counter Democrat Arguments 61
Republicans and Conservatives need a Central Clearing House for Setting the Record Straight on Left Wing Distortions of History and Fact 63
Republicans Need to Tell Stories 64
Like It or Not: Bush’s Grand Strategy is Largely Built on The Hispanic Vote 65
2004 Proved that the Popular Vote Matters 67
Tax Exempt Organizations: Danger Ahead Obscured by Republican Swift Boat Luck and Democrat Ineptitude in 2004 68
Campaign Aftermath 69
My Participation in the Effort to Deny Specter the Judiciary Chair 69
Stop Specter, Strict Constructionism, and Right to Life 74
Media Bounceback after the Campaign 79


113 posted on 02/22/2005 11:28:47 PM PST by strategofr
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To: MarMema

The things you mention do not seem key to the analysis of Putin here. Have you read Pacepa, Suvorov? Putin was a carreer KGB officer. Since he's been in office he has been helping Iran develop nuclear weapons and ever-improving missles. These are more important than the things you mention.

In addition, the idea that Russia is more democratic than Italy is absurd on the face of it.


114 posted on 02/22/2005 11:33:59 PM PST by strategofr
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115 posted on 02/23/2005 12:34:59 AM PST by mastercylinder (New and improved mastercylinder)
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To: Conspiracy Guy; dfwright
Oui! :^D

116 posted on 02/23/2005 1:43:55 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: rdl6989; Kate of Spice Island; nopardons; MarMema; Knitting A Conundrum; dfwright; ...
This guy needs to be careful.

You never know how many covert F.S.B. agents are trolling this website.

BOO!

(Tinfoil hat Smiley.)

-good times, G.J.P.(Jr.)

117 posted on 02/23/2005 1:45:23 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("OK-lahoma, where the wind comes sweeping down the plains...")
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To: mastercylinder

ROFL!!!


118 posted on 02/23/2005 1:48:27 AM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
You never know how many covert F.S.B. agents are trolling this website.

Who me? I will have you know I am a fourteen year old girl.... Oh, you said FSB not FBI. Sorry.

119 posted on 02/23/2005 3:13:01 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Apparently, this is the only job for which I am suited. I am beset by the ironies of my life)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Heh, heh.

:)

(Secret agent man.)

120 posted on 02/23/2005 3:16:06 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("OK-lahoma, where the wind comes sweeping down the plains...")
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