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What christians seem to oft forget is that this world is not their own. They influence it, but they do not control it. It is primarily only in this nation where Christinanity has patterned itself societally in the modern era and that is changing in spades in many ways.
This world of sin will never be overcome. When it comes down to brass tacks, there is something more that that government could be doing to halt every sin, yet does not.
67 posted on
01/16/2005 2:46:40 PM PST by
Fruitbat
To: cpforlife.org
"I still am not doing everything possible that I can."So, your whole point is that the President is no better than you are?
70 posted on
01/16/2005 2:54:46 PM PST by
Luis Gonzalez
(Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
To: cpforlife.org
"I still am not doing everything possible that I can do."By the way...why the hell aren't you?
Isn't it sufficiently important to you?
72 posted on
01/16/2005 2:57:15 PM PST by
Luis Gonzalez
(Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
To: cpforlife.org
Good post. Even FR has become largely pro-abortion apparently. What a shame.
To: cpforlife.org
"The President has the power of enforcement and isn't Constitutionally, legally, or ethically required to blindly enforce blatantly unconstitutional opinions." Are you saying the president has power of nullification but the states don't? Interesting.
78 posted on
01/16/2005 3:07:18 PM PST by
Eastbound
("Ne'er a scrooge nor a patsy be.")
To: cpforlife.org
It may be that president Bush could do more, however I wouldn't go as far as this article. If he had done what the article suggests, he would have been excoriated and there would have been impeachment hearings.
83 posted on
01/16/2005 4:59:48 PM PST by
TOUGH STOUGH
(I support Terri's supporters!!!!)
To: cpforlife.org
Change is long overdue. To allow complacency to consume us is to become comfortable with policy that has taken 7 times as many lives as the Third Reich. I for one am ready to do something - anything.
How can someone glibly say "I believe a woman should have a right to choose", when that "choice" involves the taking of a life - a life she CHOSE (with the exception of 3% of rape-incest cases) to conceive implicitly. How can a person view another person as "property" to be sustained or destroyed according to convenience?
My proposed answer: Ignorance. Willing ignorance.
In 1989, a poster adorned several downtown Seattle bus stops. It was a picture of an unborn baby innocently captioned, "Enjoy Life!" The City Council ordered it taken down. Why is this?
92 posted on
01/16/2005 5:22:26 PM PST by
Lexinom
(www.revotewa.com - Go DINO! www.illegitimategovernor.com)
To: cpforlife.org
"The president can, under his Constitutional authority refuse to enforce an unconstitutional opinion from the U.S. Supreme Court and all inferior federal courts."Can you show me where in the US Constitution, the office of the President is given oversight over the findings of the Judicial branch of the government?
110 posted on
01/16/2005 8:28:30 PM PST by
Luis Gonzalez
(Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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116 posted on
01/16/2005 9:43:22 PM PST by
Mr. Silverback
(Women need abortion like a fish needs a bicycle.)
To: cpforlife.org
President Bush is Pro-Life in Name Only With all due respect, have you lost your bloody mind?
First, aren't you trying to have it both ways? You say the only thing that will end abortion is to adopt your educational reforms because the current electorate will never let go of Roe vs. Wade, then you expect the President to accomplsh what you say is impossible.
Second, check the list below--our enemies at PP compiled it, and they know Dubya's not fooling around. Reason number one that libs are so threatened by the President's faith is that they know what it means in the area of abortion, and they are scared witless.
REDUCING ACCESS TO FAMILY PLANNING
- Anti-choice governor Tommy Thompson selected as Secretary of Health and Human Services (December 29, 2000).
- On his first day in office, the 28th anniversary of Roe v. Wade, the president restores the Reagan-era global gag rule on international family planning assistance (January 22, 2001).
- The president closes the White House Office for Women's Initiatives and Outreach (March 29, 2001).
- Contraceptive coverage for federal employees striped by the president from his first federal budget (April 9, 2001).
- The president floats possibility of nominating John Klink - an ardent opponent of birth control and spokesperson for the Vatican in it's opposition to condom use - to oversee the U.S. Global population program (May 23, 2001).
- "Abstinence-only" proponent Patricia Funderburk Ware named the head the Presidential Advisory Council on HIV/AIDS (PACHA) (November 30, 2001).
- House passes the "Child Custody Protection Act," which would make it a federal crime to transport a minor across state lines for an abortion unless the parental involvement requirements of her home state have been met (April 17, 2002).
- U.S. delegation to the U.N. Children's Summit, led by HHS Secretary Tommy Thompson, fights sexuality education and opposes condoms for HIV/AIDS prevention (May 2002).
- Louise Oliver, former president of the pro-life Harvard Law School's Society for Law, Life, and Religion appointed special assistant to the U.S. State Department Bureau of Population, Refugees and Migration (July 2002).
- The president withholds $34 million in funding for birth control, maternal and child care, and HIV/AIDS prevention from the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) (July 22, 2002).
- House passes abortion ban legislation H.R. 4965 (July 24, 2002).
- Announcement made by administration that approximately $900,000 available for financial assistance and applications for embryo "adoption" (July 25, 2002).
- The U.S. Department of Justice does an about-face and withdraws support for women's rights treaty, maintaining U.S. as only industrialized nation not to ratify the Convention on Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW) (July 26, 2002).
- Anti-condom "abstinence-only" proponent Dr. Freda McKissic named to the CDC Advisory Committee on HIV and STD Prevention (September 6, 2002).
- House passes the so-called "Abortion Non-Discrimination Act" (ANDA), a sweeping refusal clause that allows any health care entity to discriminate against any provider who provides or even gives information about abortion (September 25, 2002).
- U.S. State Department freezes $3 million in funding to the World Health Organization (WHO) in response to anti-choice objections to the WHO's Human Reproduction Program (October 2002).
- HHS Web sites remove medically accurate information about condom effectiveness and the lack of a proven link between abortion and breast cancer (October 2002).
- HHS Secretary's Advisory Committee on Human Research Protection Charter gives embryos new status as "human subjects" (October 2002).
- "Abstinence-only" proponent Dr. Alma Golden named to oversee Title X, nation's family planning program (October 7, 2002).
- Family Planning foe Chris Smith calls on USAID to exclude reproductive health organizations in developing countries from receiving HIV/AIDS funding, thus extending global gag rule (October 24, 2002).
- U.S. delegation to U.N. regional meeting reverses U.S. position in support of 1994 global agreement affirming the right of all couples and individuals to determine freely and responsibly the number and spacing of their children, and to have the information and means to do so (United Nations, 1994) (November 2, 2002).
- Anti-choice and religious extremist doctors opposed to contraception, mifepristone, and reproductive rights appointed to the Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) (December 24, 2002).
- The president's FY 2004 budget fails family planning programs and denies women access to abortion services (February 3, 2003).
- Politics trumps women's health, Senate passes S.3 abortion ban (March 13, 2003).
- Senate and House defeat Department of Defense (DOD) amendments that would have allowed access to abortion for women in the military who use their own funds (May 22, 2003).
- Abortion ban, H.R. 760, passes the House of Representatives (June 4, 2003).
- State Department denies funds for refugee AIDS prevention (August 1, 2003).
- The president extends global gag rule to all international family planning programs (August 29, 2003).
- Abortion ban, S.3, is sent to conference with the House of Representatives (September 17, 2003).
- Congress passes S.3, dangerous ban on abortion, endangering women's lives for political gain (October 22, 2003).
- The president signs abortion ban, the first federal legislation since Roe v. Wade to criminalize abortion, imperiling women's health (November 5, 2003).
- Budget released for FY 2005 funds "abstinence-only" sex education and marriage initiatives, freezes funding for Title X family planning services (February 2, 2004).
- FY 2005 budget pours money into discriminatory "Healthy Marriage" initiative (February 2, 2004).
- FDA bows to political pressure and delays making decision on converting emergency contraception to over-the-counter status (February 13, 2004).
- U.S. Delegation to Economic Commission of Latin America and the Caribbean stands alone in refusing to join a declaration reaffirming the Cairo consensus on population development because it objects to the use of phrases like "reproductive rights," "reproductive health," and families "in all their various forms" (March 11, 2004).
- July 16, 2004 Bush administration withholds funding for UNFPA, the United Nations Population Fund for third year in a row (July 16, 2004).
- Congress denies funding for military women seeking abortion after rape or incest, strips bipartisan Boxer-Snowe amendment from Department of Defense Authorization Bill. (October 7, 2004).
BUILDING THE PLATFORM TO OUTLAW ABORTION
- Extreme anti-choice zealot John Ashcroft proposed for U.S. attorney general (December. 22, 2000).
- Anti-Choice governor Tommy Thompson selected as Secretary of Health and Human Services (December 29, 2000).
- Chris Smith (R-NJ), U.S. House of Representatives' most ferocious opponent of international family planning programs, asked to address the annual "pro-life" march on behalf of the administration on the 28th anniversary of Roe v. Wade (January 22, 2001).
- The president closes the White House Office for Women's Initiatives and Outreach (March 29, 2001).
- House passes the so-called "Unborn Victims of Violence Act" (April 26, 2001).
- The president floats possibility of nominating John Klink - an ardent opponent of birth control and spokesperson for the Vatican in its opposition to condom use - to oversee the U.S. global population program (May 23, 2001).
- HHS Secretary Tommy Thompson announces new rules making fetuses, but not pregnant women, eligible for prenatal care in the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) (March 5, 2002).
- House passes the "Child Custody Protection Act" which would make it a federal crime to transport a minor across state lines for an abortion unless the parental involvement requirements of her home state have been met (April 17, 2002).
- Louise Oliver, former president of the pro-life Harvard Law School's Society for Law, Life and Religion appointed special assistant to the U.S. State Department Bureau of Population, Refugees and Migration (July 2002).
- House passes abortion ban legislation (July 24, 2002).
- Announcement made by administration that approximately $900,000 available for financial assistance and applications for embryo "adoption" (July 25, 2002).
- The U.S. Department of Justice does an about-face and withdraws support for women's rights treaty, maintaining U.S. as only industrialized nation not to ratify the Convention on Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW) (July 26, 2002).
- House passes the so-called "Abortion Non-Discrimination Act" (ANDA), a sweeping refusal clause that allows any health care entity to discriminate against any provider who provides or even gives information about abortion (September 25, 2002).
- HHS Web sites remove medically accurate information about condom effectiveness and the lack of a proven link between abortion and breast cancer (October 2002).
- HHS Secretary's Advisory Committee on Human Research Protection Charter gives embryos new status as "human subjects" (October 2002).
- House passes Bankruptcy Bill HR 333. without Freedom of Access to Clinics (FACE) provisions that would have prevented violent anti-choice protesters from avoiding debts by declaring bankruptcy (November 14, 2002).
- U.S. delegation advances position that life begins at conception at population conference for the Asia and Pacific region (December 11-17, 2002).
- The administration supports anti-choice Sen. Bill First (R-TN) to take the helm of the U.S. Senate after Trent Lott (R-MS) steps down (December 23, 2002).
- Anti-choice and religious extremist doctors opposed to contraception, mifepristone, and reproductive rights appointed to the Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) (December 24, 2002).
- The Presidents FY 2004 budget fails family planning programs and denies women access to abortion services (February 3, 2003).
- House passes ban on therapeutic cloning (February 28, 2003).
- Politics trump women's health, Senate passes abortion ban, S.3 (March 13, 2003).
- Senate and House defeat Department of Defense (DOD) amendments that would have allowed access to abortion for women in the military who use their own funds (May 22, 2003).
- Abortion Ban H.R. 760 passes the House of Representatives (June 4, 2003)
- Abortion ban, S.3, is sent to conference with the House of Representatives (September 17, 2003).
- Congress passes S.3, dangerous ban on abortion, endangering women's lives for political gain (October 22, 2003).
- The president signs abortion ban, the first federal legislation since Roe v. Wade to criminalize abortion, imperiling women's health (November 5, 2003).
- Congress aims to suspend FDA approval of mifepristone and restrict access to medical abortion a safe and medically established procedure (November 21, 2003).
- House passes so-called "Unborn Victims of Violence Act" giving zygote, embryo, or fetus the same legal rights as a person and further undermining a woman's right to an abortion (February 26, 2004).
- Federal District Judge Phyllis Hamilton Protects Patients' Privacy by Denying DOJ's Request for Planned Parenthood Medical Records in Course of Federal Abortion Ban Trial (March 5, 2004).
- U.S. Delegation to Economic Commission of Latin America and the Caribbean stands alone in refusing to join a declaration reaffirming the Cairo consensus on population development because it objects to the use of phrases like "reproductive rights," "reproductive health," and families "in all their various forms" (March 11, 2004).
- Federal judge in San Francisco strikes down federal abortion ban as unconstitutional; decision in Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) v. Ashcroft a victory for women's rights (June 1, 2004).
- Justice Department Files appeal in Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) v. Ashcroft; Continues to pursue unconstitutional Abortion Ban (August 2, 2004).
- Federal judge in New York strikes down unconstitutional federal abortion ban; ruling in National Abortion Federation (NAF) v. Ashcroft echoes June 1 decision in Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) v. Ashcroft (August 26, 2004).
- Third federal court rules federal abortion ban is unconstitutional; decision in Carhart v. Ashcroft echoes rulings in San Francisco and New York (September 8, 2004).
- Justice Department files appeal of Nebraska and New York Abortion Ban rulings; Continues to pursue unconstitutional law (September 27, 2004).
REDEFINING THE LEGAL STATUS OF THE FETUS
- House passes "Unborn Victims of Violence Act" (April 26, 2001).
- HHS Secretary Tommy Thompson announces new rules making fetuses, but not pregnant women, eligible for prenatal care in the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) (March 5, 2002).
- Announcement made by administration that approximately $900,000 available for financial assistance and applications for embryo "adoption" (July 25, 2002).
- HHS Secretary's Advisory Committee on Human Research Protection Charter gives embryos new status as "human subjects" (October 2002).
- House passes so-called "Unborn Victims of Violence Act" giving zygote, embryo, or fetus the same legal rights as a person and further undermining a woman's right to an abortion (February 26, 2004).
- Federal District Judge Phyllis Hamilton Protects Patients' Privacy by Denying DOJ's Request for Planned Parenthood Medical Records in Course of Federal Abortion Ban Trial (March 5, 2004).
- "Unborn Victims of Violence Act" passes Senate, grants fertilized egg legal status distinct from woman, posing threat to the foundations of Roe v. Wade (March 25, 2004).
- President signs so-called "Unborn Victims of Violence Act" into law, may help lay groundwork for future effort to reverse Roe v. Wade (April 1, 2004).
PACKING THE COURTS TO OVERTURN ROE
- Anti-choice Texas Supreme Court Justice Priscilla Owens nominated to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals (May 9, 2001).
- Law Professor Michael McConnell, hardline opponent of Roe v. Wade who believes the U.S. Constitution does not protect women's right to choose, nominated to the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals (May 9, 2001).
- Anti-choice District Court Judge Dennis Shedd, with a pattern of ruling against plaintiffs in civil rights cases, nominated to the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals (May 9, 2001).
- Lavenski Smith, past executive director of the right-wing, anti-choice Rutherford Institute of Arkansas, nominated to the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals (May 22, 2001).
- Anti-choice extremist Judge Carolyn Kuhl nominated to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals (May 25, 2001).
- Anti choice Federal District Court Judge D. Brooks Smith, who held a long-standing membership in a private club that excludes women, nominated to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals (September 10, 2001).
- Anti-Choice Federal District Court Judge Charles Pickering, Texas Supreme Court Justice Priscilla Owens, and Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Carolyn Kuhl, who had all been rejected by the Senate, re-nominated to Circuit Courts of Appeals ( January 7, 2003).
- Miguel Estrada, who gave evasive responses when questioned by the Senate Judiciary Committee on reproductive rights, abandons his bid for appointment to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia (September 4, 2003).
- Anti-choice, anti-civil rights hardliner Federal District Court Judge Charles Pickering appointed during congressional recess (i.e., without Senate confirmation) to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals (January 16, 2004).
- Alabama Attorney General William Pryor, who describes Roe v. Wade as "an abomination," appointed to 11th Circuit Court of Appeals during congressional recess, (i.e., without Senate confirmation) (February 20, 2004).
- Anti-choice extremist James Leon Holmes, former president of Arkansas Right to Life, appointed to U.S. District Court for Eastern District of Arkansas (July 6, 2004).
REPLACING SCIENCE WITH RIGHT-WING IDEOLOGY
- The president floats possibility of nominating John Klink - an ardent opponent of birth control and spokesperson for the Vatican in its opposition to condom use - to oversee the U.S. global population program (May 23, 2001).
- House passes the "Human Cloning Prohibition Act of 2001" (July 31, 2001).
- The president prevents taxpayer funding for additional stem cells beyond existing stem cell lines, placing severe limits on stem cell research (August 9, 2001).
- The president's FY2001 budget doubles education funding for dangerous "abstinence-only" programs (October 11, 2001).
- "Abstinence-only" proponent Patricia Funderburk Ware named to head the Presidential Advisory Council on HIV/AIDS (PACHA) (November 30, 2001).
- U.S. delegation to the U.N. Children's Summit, led by HHS Secretary Tommy Thompson, fights sexuality education and opposes condoms for HIV/AIDS prevention (May 2002).
- U.S. Department of Education appoints Title IX commission that threatens athletic programs for girls and women. (June 6, 2002).
- The president withholds $34 million in funding for birth control, maternal and child care and HIV/AIDS prevention from the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) (July 22, 2002).
- The president withholds more then $200 million in funding for programs to support women and address HIV/AIDS in Afghanistan (August 2, 2002).
- Anti-condom "abstinence-only" proponent Dr. Freda McKissic named to the CDC Advisory Committee on HIV and STD Prevention (September 6, 2002).
- HHS Web sites remove medically accurate information about condom effectiveness and the lack of a proven link between abortion and breast cancer (October 2002).
- "Abstinence-only" proponent Dr. Alma Golden named to oversee Title X, nation's family planning program (October 7, 2002).
- The National Cancer Institute (NCI) Web site posts a "revised" fact sheet that suggests an unproved link between abortion and breast cancer (November 25, 2002).
- House passes ban on therapeutic cloning (February 28, 2003).
- State Department denies funds for refugee AIDS prevention (August 1, 2003).
- Anti-choice hardliners resort to intimidation tactics to pressure NIH scientists to abandon research on AIDS, sexuality and high-risk behavior (October 28, 2003).
- Budget released for FY 2005 funds "abstinence-only" sex education and marriage initiatives, freezes funding for Title X family planning services (February 2, 2004).
- FDA bows to political pressure and delays making decision on converting emergency contraception to over-the-counter status (February 13, 2004).
- FDA disregards recommendations of its own independent review board, and denies over-the-counter status to Barr Laboratories' Plan B® emergency contraception (May 6, 2004).
- Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage fails to garner necessary votes in House; follows defeat of amendment in Senate (October 1, 2004).
CENSORING FREE SPEECH
- On his first day in office, the 28th anniversary of Roe v. Wade, the president restores the Reagan-era global gag rule on international family planning assistance ( January 22, 2001).
- House passes the so-called "Abortion Non-Discrimination Act" (ANDA), a sweeping refusal clause that allows any health care entity to discriminate against any provider who provides or even gives information about abortion (September 25, 2002).
- HHS Web sites remove medically accurate information about condom effectiveness and the lack of a proven link between abortion and breast cancer (October 2002).
- U.S. delegation to U.N. regional meeting reverses U.S. position in support of 1994 global agreement affirming the right of all couples and individuals to determine freely and responsibiliy the number and spacing of their children and to have the information and means to do so (United Nations, 1994) (November 2, 2002).
- The Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Web site posts "revised" fact sheet downplaying condom effectiveness (December 2, 2002).
- USAID directs USAID-funded programs to reflect the anti-choice policies of the Bush administration on their Web sites (January, 2003).
- The president extends global gag rule to all international family planning programs (August 29, 2003).
- Anti-choice hardliners resort to intimidation tactics to pressure NIH scientists to abandon research on AIDS, sexuality, and high-risk behavior (October 28, 2003).
- U.S. Delegation to Economic Commission of Latin America and the Caribbean stands alone in refusing to join a declaration reaffirming the Cairo consensus on population development because it objects to the use of phrases like "reproductive rights," "reproductive health," and families "in all their various forms"
118 posted on
01/16/2005 9:53:41 PM PST by
Mr. Silverback
(Women need abortion like a fish needs a bicycle.)
To: cpforlife.org
I strongly disagree with the premise of this post. The President could not do what it is suggested in this blurb that he could do, without a backlash that would leave us reeling, and which would become a Constitutional crisis. (Roe v. Wade should have resulted in just such a crisis.)
I doubt sincerely that the result would be a Constitutional amendment, unless it was an amendment to strip the Executive branch of power.
Our President has done more to promote the conversation and conversion of the people in this nation than anyone else in public office.
128 posted on
01/17/2005 2:16:06 AM PST by
hocndoc
(Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
To: cpforlife.org
I nominate this thread as a 9.0 on the dumb, unappeasable scale.
151 posted on
01/17/2005 3:23:34 PM PST by
Tempest
(Click on my name for a long list of press contacts)
To: cpforlife.org
President Bush signing the first ever federal repeal of abortion
You kill me. Are you so dense that you think that sheer brute force will reverse Roe v Wade?
First, we have to pass a "test case" law that is so limited, so narrow, so Constitutionally perfect that we can get a favorable Supreme Court ruling. That step was accomplished with President Bush signing our ban on Partial Birth Abortion (something that your organization couldn't manage to get done).
Next, we have to add at least two new conservative Supreme Court Justices. Putting a test case in front of the existing left-wing court, now that Sandra Day O'Conner has flipped sides, would actually SET BACK our pro-life efforts by another generation.
This means that *anyone*, especially people like you, who favors bringing Roe v Wade challenges now, before we've changed the personnel on the Supreme Court, is actually someone who is pursuing a path that will HARM ALL PRO-LIFE EFFORTS.
Moreover, attacking President Bush for "not being pro-life" when President Bush has made numerous pro-life moves (see below), leads one to believe that you are actually a left-wing troll wearing right-wing attire.
Banned Partial Birth Abortion
Reversed Clinton's move to strike Reagan's anti-abortion Mexico Policy
Stopped foreign aid that would be used to fund abortions.
Supported and upheld the ban on abortions at military hospitals
Signed E.O. reversing Clinton's policy of not requiring parental consent for abortions under the Medical Privacy Act
159 posted on
01/17/2005 4:30:30 PM PST by
Southack
(Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: cpforlife.org
I have been wondering about something. Did it not take a Constitutional amendment to drastically change our society at the time, to make slavery illegal?
Why can a mere Supreme Court "decision" radically change our society to include a "right" to abortion?
Seems to me, that babies should be protected under the Constitution, until there is an Amendment to change that protection.
Roe was based on lies...there was no rape....and this one decision should not have been used to impose such a drastic change to our society. The Emancipation Proclaimation had to be followed up with a Constitutional amendment---abortion should have to be held to the same standard.
164 posted on
01/18/2005 9:15:22 AM PST by
tuckrdout
(Forbidden fruit causes many jams)
To: cpforlife.org
Seems to me no one has addressed an issue that, to me, seems to totally dismantle this entire argument.
Let's say that the President does have the ability to "refuse to enforce an opinion by the Supreme Court". Bush sees this thread, and does it tomorrow. Great.
4 years from now a pro death candidate is elected, and the first thing s/he does when in office is to REVERSE what Bush did.
Did that really solve anything?
After reading the replies to many on this thread it doesn't seem as though anyone brought up this point. I think it's a valid one, unless you have an answer to it.
To: cpforlife.org
One more point: We cannot, as has frequently been done in the past, allow our fervor to cloud our judgment, particularly regarding tactics.
176 posted on
01/18/2005 2:09:41 PM PST by
TOUGH STOUGH
(I support Terri's supporters!!!!)
To: cpforlife.org
Yes I believe President Bush is personally against abortion, but the actions he has taken thus far have saved very few, if any lives. 1. You know this isn't true.
2. The bans he has signed would be saving plenty of lives if they hadn't been stopped in the courts. When they are declared Constitutional, they will save many lives. Moreover, just the changes he's made out of the country (like re-implementing Mexico City) have saved the lives of non-Americans.
3. I know we conservatives tend to be result-oriented, but consider this: What if somebody looked at your efforts thus far and said, "Well, you've saved few, if any, lives. You're pro-life in name only." Would you consider that to be a valid assessment?
The president can, under his Constitutional authority refuse to enforce an unconstitutional opinion from the U.S. Supreme Court and all inferior federal courts. [1] Pro-Life Bush on any given day over the last 4 years could have broken the tyrannical holocaust of the Roe v Wade OPINION, which would then let the States' decide, as was the situation prior to Roe.
With all due respect, you must be insane to believe this would work. He would be impeached, probably by a narrow margin, but impeached nonetheless. He would then be convicted quite handily by the Senate and removed from office. If Cheney let the order stand, they would impeach him. This would continue until they got somebody in there to rescind the order. And I won't even go into the vast number of federal, state and local officials and private citizens who would believe this was a violation of the Constitution and simply ignore it. Anarchy followed by impeachment, what a plan.
Im sure he knew that other than the tremendous educational and public awareness impact (which is very good) the law was meaningless because all the serial killer abortionist had to do to stay within the law was give a lethal injection to the child prior to partial delivery and sucking his brains out.
Got any backup for that? Why don't abortionists just do this already? If they did, it would eliminate the need for breech birth, for example.
His silence on this life saving legislation is at the same deafening level as everyone else, as only 2 or 3 Congressmen joined to co sponsor the different legislation, so Im not singling Dubya out.
As Colonel Henry Potter would say, "horse hockey!" First, you didn't post a column called "Our Congress and President are Pro-life in name Only." Second, Section 3 of the We The People Act is blatantly unconstitutional, foolish and dangerous! If the federal courts cannot rule on those matters, it might prevent them from tramping on my rights, but it would also keep prevent them from intervening to protect those rights from state and local authorities, and thereby gut the check and balance authority of an entire federal branch. Somehow, I'm thinking the Founders would like it if we kept all three branches.
Let me throw in a few examples:
Under this act, the courts wouldn't be able to impose Michael Newdow's will on us all. But they wouldn't be able to rule in favor of a kid who was expelled for wearing a Christian T-Shirt, either.
They wouldn't be able to make a city take a cross of its seal, but they wouldn't be able to protect the worker fired from his job for dispklaying a cross in his cubicle.
They wouldn't be able to rule in favor of a school that won't allow the Boy Scouts, but they also wouldn't be able to rule in favor of the Scout's right to practice their beliefs as the SCOTUS did a few years back.
They wouldn't be able to impose gay marriage on us, but they also wouldn't be able to stop a guy like Gavin Newsom, even if we passed a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman.
In other words, the federal courts would be just as unable to defend Constitutional rights as they would be to damage them. If some tinhorn mayor or governor can tell me how to worship my God, why have a federal government in the first place?
180 posted on
01/18/2005 4:50:20 PM PST by
Mr. Silverback
(Women need abortion like a fish needs a bicycle.)
To: cpforlife.org
200 posted on
01/18/2005 9:23:53 PM PST by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: cpforlife.org
Both Bush's wife and mother are pro choice, they probably realize that criminalizing the whole thing would never work.
208 posted on
01/19/2005 12:21:49 PM PST by
tkathy
(Tyranny breeds terrorism. Freedom breeds peace.)
To: MHGinTN; Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; ...
Both President Bush and Governor Bush could save Terri. In fact they are bound by their oaths to do so. But they obviously will not. Also
NEWS RELEASE: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: February 08, 2005
Bush Signs Title X Funding Increase for 2005
Planned Parenthood's Abortion Funding Increased
President George W. Bush and the Republican-majority Congress
Increased Title X to record $288.3 million in FY 2005 on 12/8/04
Title X is one of two major federal government funding sources for Planned Parenthood Federation of America, the nation's largest chain of abortion centers (murdering over 244,000 unborn human beings per year by surgical abortion alone).
Title X appropriation for FY 2005 (Oct. 2004 to Sept. 2005) was signed into law as part of H.R. 4818 (see bill at http://thomas.loc.gov), the mammoth appropriations bill which contained the huge outlays for the (unconstitutional) Department of Health and Human Services.
Republican-majority U.S. House approved H.R. 4818 by a vote of 344 to 51, on November 20, 2004 (Roll Call Number: 542). [Republicans 183 Yea, 27 Nay; Democrats 160 Yea, 24 Nay; 1 Independent Yea]
Republican-majority U.S. Senate approved H.R. 4818 by a vote of 65 to 30, on November 20, 2004 (Record Vote Number: 215) [Republicans 42 Yea, 6 Nay; Democrats 23 Yea, 23 Nay; 1 Independent Nay]
Republican President signed H.R. 4818 into law, authorizing the highest ever spending level for Title X in the history of the program, on December 8, 2004. It became Public Law No. 108-447.
This FY 2005 Bush administration Title X funding level of $288 million (an estimated $50-$60 million of which will be paid to Planned Parenthood Federation of America, for population control), exceeds by over $30 million, the highest Title X level during the Clinton administration, in FY 2001, of $254 million!
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Note:
The Title X program includes funding for contraceptive birth control; birth control that causes chemical abortions; and birth control for unmarried adolescents, even if their parents object to the federal government giving their children hormonal drugs and devices with which to fornicate.
The Title X program is also one of the principal federal government funding mechanisms for Planned Parenthood Federation of America (founded by Margaret Sanger), the nation's largest chain of child-murder-by-abortion centers.
Information on Title X: http://opa.osophs.dhhs.gov/titlex/ofp.html
Title X funding history since inception in 1971:
From the Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Population Affairs website: http://opa.osophs.dhhs.gov/titlex/ofp-funding-history.html
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Pertinent text below, documenting appropriation of $288,283,000 for Title X is shown below, from:
H.R.4818 - Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2005 (Enrolled as Agreed to or Passed by Both House and Senate) - Federal HHS Appropriations Bill (FY 2005)
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H.R.4818
Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2005 (Enrolled as Agreed to or Passed by Both House and Senate)
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TITLE II--DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
Health Resources and Services Administration
HEALTH RESOURCES AND SERVICES
For carrying out titles II, III, IV, VII, VIII, X, XII, XIX, and XXVI of the Public Health Service Act, section 427(a) of the Federal Coal Mine Health and Safety Act, title V and sections 1128E, 711, and 1820 of the Social Security Act, the Health Care Quality Improvement Act of 1986, as amended, the Native Hawaiian Health Care Act of 1988, as amended, the Cardiac Arrest Survival Act of 2000, section 712 of the American Jobs Creation Act of 2004, and the Poison Control Center Enhancement and Awareness Act, as amended, $6,856,624,000, of which $484,629,000 shall be available for construction and renovation (including equipment) of health care and other facilities and other health-related activities as specified in the statement of the managers on the conference report accompanying this Act, and of which $39,499,000 from general revenues, notwithstanding section 1820(j) of the Social Security Act, shall be available for carrying out the Medicare rural hospital flexibility grants program under section 1820 of such Act: Provided, That of the funds made available under this heading, $249,000 shall be available until expended for facilities renovations at the Gillis W. Long Hansen's Disease Center: Provided further, That in addition to fees authorized by section 427(b) of the Health Care Quality Improvement Act of 1986, fees shall be collected for the full disclosure of information under the Act sufficient to recover the full costs of operating the National Practitioner Data Bank, and shall remain available until expended to carry out that Act: Provided further, That fees collected for the full disclosure of information under the `Health Care Fraud and Abuse Data Collection Program', authorized by section 1128E(d)(2) of the Social Security Act, shall be sufficient to recover the full costs of operating the program, and shall remain available until expended to carry out that Act: Provided further, That $31,000,000 of the funding provided for community health centers shall be used for base grant adjustments for existing centers: Provided further, That no more than $100,000 is available until expended for carrying out the provisions of 42 U.S.C. 233(o) including associated administrative expenses: Provided further, That no more than $45,000,000 is available until expended for carrying out the provisions of Public Law 104-73: Provided further, That $9,941,000 is available until expended for the National Cord Blood Stem Cell Bank Program as described in House Report 108-401: Provided further, That of the funds made available under this heading, $288,283,000 shall be for the program under title X of the Public Health Service Act to provide for voluntary family planning projects: Provided further, That amounts provided to said projects under such title shall not be expended for abortions, that all pregnancy counseling shall be nondirective, and that such amounts shall not be expended for any activity (including the publication or distribution of literature) that in any way tends to promote public support or opposition to any legislative proposal or candidate for public office: Provided further, That $793,872,000 shall be for State AIDS Drug Assistance Programs authorized by section 2616 of the Public Health Service Act: Provided further, That in addition to amounts provided herein, $25,000,000 shall be available from amounts available under section 241 of the Public Health Service Act to carry out Parts A, B, C, and D of title XXVI of the Public Health Service Act to fund section 2691 Special Projects of National Significance: Provided further, That, notwithstanding section 502(a)(1) of the Social Security Act, not to exceed $119,158,000 is available for carrying out special projects of regional and national significance pursuant to section 501(a)(2) of such Act: Provided further, That of the funds provided, $40,000,000 shall be provided to the Denali Commission as a direct lump payment pursuant to Public Law 106-113, of which $10,000,000 shall be for a psychiatric treatment facility in Bethel, Alaska, $10,000,000 shall be for residential and supportive housing for elders, $2,500,000 shall be for medical and dental equipment for rural clinics, and $5,000,000 shall be for upgrade and construction of shelters for victims of domestic violence and child abuse.
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Instructions to locate this text yourself on-line: Go to: http://thomas.loc.gov
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Click on: Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2005 (Enrolled as Agreed to or Passed by Both House and Senate)[H.R.4818.ENR]
H.R.4818 - Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2005 (Enrolled as Agreed to or Passed by Both House and Senate) - Federal HHS Appropriations Bill (FY 2005)
[ To see roll call votes in US House and US Senate, click on:
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DIVISION F--DEPARTMENTS OF LABOR, HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, AND EDUCATION, AND RELATED AGENCIES
Continue scrolling, click on:
TITLE II--DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES
Under:
Health Resources and Services Administration
Health Resources and Services
"Provided further, That of the funds made available under this heading, $288,283,000 shall be for the program under title X of the Public Health Service Act to provide for voluntary family planning projects:..."
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