"TOM McSELFISH = Gov. BustaMENCHA"

9/14/2003 | ALOHA RONNIE Guyer

[ALOHA RONNIE]

NEVER FORGET

.."TOM McSELFISH =

...Gov. BustaMENCHA"

........was THE Sign to behold at this weekend's California Republican Convention held in Playa Del Rey next to the Los Angeles International Airport. So I did.

...No Convention Endorsement came for California Governor, but a posted Convention Straw Poll showed ARNOLD with nearly ..80%.. of the votes verses a little over ..18%.. for TOM McCLINTOCK.

...No one backed down this weekend, though it was hoped one Candidate for California Governor would, with Recall Election Financier Congressman ISSA watching it all unfold right before his very eyes.

Signed:.."ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer / Republican Convention Witness

NEVER FORGET

[ohioWfan]

btw, in case you didn't notice, I'm from Ohio........I'm not voting for anyone in this election........

[MrLeRoy]

The irony here may be that Arnold would do more for pro-life than McClintock, by advancing the abortion restrictions he's in favor of, because it would behoove him to please the social conservative base that is suspicious of him. While McClintock doesn't have that problem and would likely fear the reaction of the liberal California press if he, the avowed pro-life champion, were to move to restrict abortion.

Interesting speculation---but I am aware of no evidence that slightly anti-abortion candidates protect more lives than more firmly anti-abortion candidates.

The fact that McClintock, like Simon before him, is now openly admitting that he would do nothing about abortion

I'll believe that when I see his words to that effect.

[MrLeRoy]

the FACT is that in 1992, conservatives who were mad at GHW Bush for not being conservative enough, voted for a NON conservative, Ross Perot

Can you provide evidence for this "fact"? I saw Perot as less conservative than Poppy, so I held my nose and voted for the latter.

[Conservative4Ever]

Sort of like coasting downhill in neutral as opposed to shifting into drive and flooring it.

LOLOLOLOLOL What an apt description. We are sooooo screwed in CA

Red

[olinr]

"Workers comp in California can not be "patched". It has to be completly revamped."

Excuse me!

Who do you think will do that? Not the Governor-

It is the State Legislature. Are you going to change that, too?

A vote for McClintock is a vote for Bust-a-monte!

[NathanR]

Yet the democrats manage to win while staying true to their own base.?

The democrats manage to win in the courts.

Do you contend that conservative principles are less marketable to the mushy middle than liberal ones?

Depends upon which issues you mean. If you mean that there should be no abortions for any reason whatsoever, then the mushy middle would not go for it. If, on the other hand, if you mean the issues that Arnold is expousing, then yes, they are salable. Things like patriotism, lower taxes, and less regulations.

[glennaro]

I caught the interview on Prager's program also. Couldn't get on, but I sent Dennis the following e-mail:

Greetings, Dennis:
I enjoyed your thoughtful interview with the good state senator this morning, but I fear a repeat of the Bill Simon vs. Gray Davis outcome if he remains in the race. I don't think McClintock could win even if Arnold were to drop out.
I think Arnold would pick up enough votes to beat Bustamante if McClintock drops out. I do not think the reverse is true. If Arnold were to drop out, McClintock would not pick up enough of Arnold's voters to prevail in the election because, I think, many of Arnold's independent and Democrat voters would not vote for a conservative Republican as far from the center as McClintock is.
I am strongly considering, if McClintock stays in the race, that I will vote for Arnold but against the recall because, as poor a governor as is Davis, Bustamante would be worse.

[SONbrad]

And the right thing would be to lose.

Sure. Ok. Go right ahead.

Personally I don't care. I don't live close to California. But if California's conservatives persist in "our way all the way or let the democrat's win"...then you all deserve what you get.

[SONbrad]

If conservative's stay home...that's their problem. No one is telling them to stay home...except people like you.

[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

80% backed Arnold? Why didn't they just come out with an endorsement and stop this madness? For crying out loud.

I think they are trying to allow McClintock a "dignified" end. But it won't happen. This is awful.

[LisaAnne]

I can do a quick check and see if I can find the quotes.
Well, I'm glad that at least one group is supporting, he needs it.
Abortion is certainly not the hot issue in this election, as the governor has little to do with that. I think the Supreme court pretty much took care of it.

You might be interested in this thread about Tom.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/982821/posts

[Maelstrom]

That was Bush's decision along with his RINOs.

Conservatives will vote conservative.

Perot at least *pretended* to be more conservative than Bush actually proved himself to be. Thus, Bush didn't get a lot of conservative votes.

Nonetheless, this simple lesson is one you're now ignoring in your race for yet another Republican Liberal. You want conservative votes, you need a conservative candidate. Otherwise...RINOs can go pound salt as they continue to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

[skeeter]

The democrats manage to win in the courts.

For all their faults the democrats at least understand one cast-in-granite axiom the GOP (and many here) have apparently forgotten - a party can seldom win without its base.

Unfortunately for the moderates the GOP's base is conservative.

All the arguing, screaming, crying, name-calling & stomping of feet will not change that fact.

[68 grunt]

It is an interesting take, thanks for sharing it.

[68 grunt]

In your most humble opinion, not mine.

VOTE TO SAVE CALIFORNIA - VOTE SCHWARZENEGGER

[Maelstrom]

Weird.

Ok, let's try this again and I'll try to use smaller words.

Conservatives will no longer vote for a liberal.

Republican liberals have lost a whole lot because of this fact.

Now you can run a candidate who conservatives will vote for, or you can blame yourselves for losing another one. When the conservatives have someone to vote for, we win.

[norton]

Why Arnold is selfish:
He is EITHER
Selfish because he has inserted himseld (ego) into a political confrontation caused by democrat mishandling of the state.
When, in a legitimate constitutional process, republican partisans (not politicians) were successful in obtaining a recall vote, they (i.e. Issa) stepped out to allow the poltical parties to go forward.
That was a fairly heroic move, freeing the GOP from potential taint of having the same person demand the recall, then try to win it for himself...a charge the dem's were already prepared to make.
At that time, Cal republicans had a minor schism to address, a former candidate known to be soft in the doctrine area (Simon) and another known to be more conservative.
That would make for a good debate within the party, in many ways similar to what we have today but within prudent limits and with the understanding that one would probably step aside before election based on internal party feed back.
OR,
He us utterly unselfish because he has handed over a few years of hollywood idolatry, high living, high income, and the good life in general. Handed it over because he truely believes that he can save the state from immediate ruin brought on by the dem governor who barely squeeked out an election over a weak Rep opponent.

My opinion on the above is immaterial.
My opinion of the true nature of the two parties available to us today is immaterial.

However, what we now have, with thanks to Arnold, is, made to order only if you are a democrat seeking to assure that very little changes due to recall and, equally important, there'l be blame to pour on the republicans for years to come.

Simon dropped out early and without any meaningful debate as to the best means of righting what's been done wrong to california.THAT element of republican discourse has been totally shut down because Arnie "does not want to talk specifics".
Bill Clinton can come to LA and preach (literally) that the same evil red necks who drove him from office are now playing the race card in this recall. Not because of Davis' race but because some have questioned the dem's great hope and current poll leader refuses to openly cut ties with a racist &/or subversive nationalist organization - naturally by asking the question, the questioners must be racist.
WJC and MEChA have moved the leftist lowbrow/elitist axis away from recall due to performance and into recall because 'they' (us) don't want the first latino governor. It's a BS arguement but it will reverberate in key dem constituencies.
And, the media is happy to point out, daily, that Arnold is the front runner outside the dem party and that Bustamente is an unscary, non-davis, dare we say moderate, democrat professional.
Oh, and that McClintock is a right wing tool of George Bush who failed to win the party nomination the last time around.

Meanwhile, back in camp, instead of a philosophical debate between republican conservative and republican lite, we have otherwise rational people posting "(Paleos should be disenfranchised due to their lack of common sense.)" and "SUCKER: Short-sighted Uncompromising Conservative Kool-Aid-drinking Elitist Republican." while their otherwise allies can post "Neos should be disenfranchised due to their lack of wisdom" because they aren't good at one liners.
We don't have a discussion on docrtine, we have a food fight between the vote republican and the vote for the man on the white horse factions.

And that's precisely what the democrats want to see.

Furthermore, assuming a davis loss and a win by EITHER Schwarzeneggar or Bustamente, the left does not really lose because policies will not change from the accepted Democrat (national level) guidelines.

Polls and reports on the process are going to paint McClintock as the spoiler...because he is the historically conservative republican politician who has not strayed at any point from his stated beliefs and root ('paleo') constituencies?
Polls and reports on the process are going to continue to paint Arnold as the "only logical" republican candidate because he is the most nearly democrat candidate apart from Bustamente.
Polls and news media in general do not show much sympathy for conservatisim. I wonder if that might influence their resulst just a bit?
Which leaves the question as to just why the hell we are flagelating ourselves inside both FR and the state republican party rather than either debating and going forward or calling a nice smoke-filled-room caucus and naming THE candidate!
Who benefits from the distraction?

[skeeter]

Doesn't matter now anyway - the 9th ciruit court of clowns & jesters have just ruled to block the recall...

[68 grunt]

Conservatives will always vote for a conservative candidate

And x-tremes always vote for x-tremes and whackydoodles always vote for whackydoodles, so what?

VOTE SCHWARZENEGGER - PUMP CALIFORNIA UP

[jjm2111]

If I were a Cali FReeper, I'd vote for McClintock. At least he has ideas. Ahnold is a fraud.