"TOM McSELFISH = Gov. BustaMENCHA"

9/14/2003 | ALOHA RONNIE Guyer

[Protagoras]

Yes...pretty amazing logic isn't it? It amazes me how people of "principle" would rather lose 100% than win 50%.

It amazes me how people of "principle" would rather have a liberal in power rather than a conservative as long as he has a (R) behind his name.

Great logic, the way to defeat liberals is to elect them after welcoming them into your own party. Amazing logic? You bet!

[SONbrad]

Oh my my. So he MUST be 100% conservative to get yuor vote. Tsk, Tsk. He doesn't "pander" to you so he isn't trying.

*sigh*

He doesn't say what YOU want him to say....so he just isn't trying...

*sigh*

What I find truly amazing is that people like you will continually look for someone that is 100% with you on the issues, refuse to support those that aren't...and then complain about those that get elected precisely because of your unwillingness to vote for anyone else.

This is NOT a primary election. Voting for a losing candidate and splitting the party only aides the Democrats. I thought you understood that.

*sigh*

[ohioWfan]

Well, now.....Arnold is not going to be able to 'earn' base votes, because his own personal convictions are not very conservative.....other than fiscally.....and he is standing by them.

I'm (obviously) an outsider, and can dispassionately offer my opinion on the matter. Bottom line......Schwartenegger can win. He is better for California than Davis or Bustamante, and he is conservative in the most important area....fiscal restraint. So far, it doesn't look like McClintock can win.

As I (as much as is possible) objectively look at what is best for California, AND for the conservatives in California, I believe that McClintock should drop out of this particular race, and let Schwartzenegger have a chance to win, and then prepare to run for the Senate, or another office where he can serve California as a solid Conservative.

IMO, his staying in the race will hurt the state in both the short and the long run.

[skeeter]

Never mind.

I'm beginning to think all you "moderates" learned to debate on the same playground.

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

No kidding, I would never call Bustamante a Mensch, I would call Cruz a Groyser and McClintock a Knaker.

McClintock supporters are Farbissoners, and it drives me meshuganah.

[ohioWfan]

But it was angry conservatives voting for Perot (conservative or not) who helped elect xlinton, and in that way the parallel is correct.

The conservatives who vote for McClintock will in fact be helping elect Bustamante.

They will be able to live with their principles, but they must also live with the fact that their state will be going further and further into the abyss.

Not a wise choice, IMO.

[MrLeRoy]

My Savior has forbidden me from voting for a pro-abortion candidate when a pro-life candidate is running. Your mileage may vary.

[MeekOneGOP]

Vote for McJeffords, "elect" Fox's "man" in Sacreemeeento. And burn, Babies, burn!

“Bajez?! We don' need no steenkin' bajez!!”

hehe ! (See #96, 98) ...

[skeeter]

Well, now.....Arnold is not going to be able to 'earn' base votes, because his own personal convictions are not very conservative.....other than fiscally.....and he is standing by them.

Well, living in CA I've pretty much heard all he has to say regarding his "fiscal conservatism" and I don't see it. I WANT to, but I don't. He's said he will not raise taxes, unless there's an 'emergency' - and won't define 'emergency'. Not very heartening. He hasn't said much about shrinking the size of government entitlement programs, in fact he's said he intends to maintain some of the more onerous ones. He seems to be riding the fence on the subject of illegals.

This state is in such tough shape I'm afraid electing a moderate R will serve no one but the democrats, who deserve ALL the blame for our problems. He presents very little risk to their ideology, plus he'll provde them political cover.

No, I want a REAL reason to vote for Arnold, insults won't do the job.

[SONbrad]

LOL. Now that is really a nice example of debating skills there, skeeter! Keep up the good work!

[ohioWfan]

No, I want a REAL reason to vote for Arnold, insults won't do the job.

Insult? Who was insulting whom?

Personally, I'm glad I don't have to make your choice.

But for me, it would be the bottom line. Who is better? Schwartzenegger or Bustamante? Those are the two candidates who have a shot at winning.

Personally, Arnold's pro-abortion position would be the most troubling for me, but then again, the real choice is between two pro-death candidates, one of whom is better than the other......

[68 grunt]

... SHOULD DEBATE ...

Should not! That would be stupid and only benefit bustamecha. The party in California will never, ever, no way in hell, unite behind McC. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

[BearArms]

I agree that Arnold should make an effort to reach out to social conservatives. I understand the importance of big-tent politics, and the social conservatives are very important to Republican victories. But I'm skeptical that there's much more that Arnold can do to win over these folks.

For example, Arnold has already come out in support of banning partial-birth abortion and expressed support for parental notice laws -- policies which would mark a dramatic change in direction from the radical abortion policies of the ruling California Democrats -- but he's still blasted as being "pro-abortion" by many conservatives. Their tendency is to always see the glass half-empty rather than half-full. They demand full compliance with their litmus tests and will not accept compromise of any sort. That kind of stubbornness results in no movement at all for conservative causes, and many Democrat victories.

[skeeter]

Insult? Who was insulting whom?

Not referring to you.

But for me, it would be the bottom line. Who is better? Schwartzenegger or Bustamante? Those are the two candidates who have a shot at winning.

That is the question. Based upon what Arnold has said so far, we'll get to the same place as Bustamonte would take us, only more slowly. And with a state GOP all the more deluted and impotent.

I'm waiting for him to throw conservatives a bone, some hope that his administration would reverse at least some of the policies that have set us on this course, but so far he's offered nothing.

[68 grunt]

Maybe the 'principled' x-tremes outta look for the door. They've ruined too many elections for us as it is.

[SONbrad]

Well said. Bravo!

[joesnuffy]

These RINOS wanna rub up against Arnie so that some of that magic gets on them
He is a movie Idol....popular...the kind of exposure money cant buy.....
Repubbies and Dems want to gain and stay in power like a freakin pair of Nike shoes
If Mikie Jordan sells them ...they must be good....so pay a couple hundred bucks for a pair of tennis shoes made by slaves in China
If Arnie is a Republican...maybe its cool to vote for others.....they hope they hope they hope
Never mind the issues....or the direction the GOP has to take to get to where Arnie is...
Acceptable to Kennedy Republicans and Hollywood liberals....who acted in movies with Arnie
and are still getting residuals from their DVDs...and re runs on TNT
Sell out your souls vote for Arnie....

[SONbrad]

See post 133. Seems like Arnold has already thrown the bones. I guess they weren't big enough, though.

[skeeter]

That kind of stubbornness results in no movement at all for conservative causes, and many Democrat victories.

Yet the democrats manage to win while staying true to their own base. Do you contend that conservative principles are less marketable to the mushy middle than liberal ones?

[Protagoras]

Who is "us"?