If Secession Was Illegal - then How Come...?

The Patriotist ^ | 2003 | Al Benson, Jr.

[y2k_free_radical]

We should have done same

[y2k_free_radical]

Thanks for posting accurate history,not "to the victor go the spoils" revisionist history

[KCmark]

Wow, that graphic is hypnotic.

[Aurelius]

My pleasure.

[Colt .45]

Selling the old PC myth about the war being all about slavery eh? Please to read 'A Constitutional History of Secession' by Minnesota lawyer John Remington Graham. You would see that slavery was really a catch all issue. The war was fought over the right to secede, the tyrant Lincoln used the "Slavery" bandwagon when things weren't going so well for the Yankees in 1863. Slavery would've died out within the next 25 years if the South had of successfully seceded, or the Norhtern capitalists would've stopped interfering in Southern economic matters. Money boyo ... that was the root cause of the War of Northern Aggression.

[Capriole]

I'll bet every word of that "story" is a lie.

Thank you. Is it usual for you to engage in gratuitous insult to other posters on this site, or am I specially privileged to receive such an attack? I'm not accustomed to being called a liar and believe I am within my rights to ask for an apology.

[billbears]

The Articles stated in many places that the Union was PERPETUAL. It never claimed the government was perpetual.

And the Constitution never once referenced said Articles nor mentioned perpetual. So it must have been a different form of government established, a voluntary one. Hmmmm....

[billbears]

You probably won't get it. You see, 'our' history, even though passed down from generation to generation, documented by evidence of letters, pictures, and stories, doesn't jibe with the 'official' historical reference. Ergo, we must be all lying. I've often wondered what the color of the sky is in a world that all history comes only from PC sources is...

[mdmathis6]

No, I was just stating an opinion of worse things that might have happened should the US had been allowed to have remained divided by succession and that history might have actually been bloodier over the past 140 or so years than it has been. It is only an OPINION okay...don't get your skirts in a dither!

[Poohbah]

And the Constitution never once referenced said Articles nor mentioned perpetual. So it must have been a different form of government established, a voluntary one. Hmmmm....

We the People, in Order to Form a More Perfect Union...

"More perfect" than what, pray tell?

[mdmathis6]

My opinion regarding the future role of a stronger federal union and its future effects on our world was meant to provide a different perspective as to what our country has really meant to the world historically. I have no knowlege or secret insights as to the final working out of our Creator's plans.
I don't know why some wars were fought and why these or those died. But one can fairly surmise what might have happened had America not remained united, with all other factors and trends remaining the same in the world.

We would have been a nuclear pile of ash long before now or enslaved under the most diabolical ISM's known to man!

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[Consort]

...His statement is wrong, the Supreme Court did declare secession illegal. And the fact that you disagree with their decision is meaningless. The Supreme Court decision is valid and secession is illegal.

I agree. The Constitution is pretty much whatever the majority of any given US Supreme Court determines it to be based on their ideology. That's the way it is.

[conservativemusician]

You must be joking.

[Aurelius]

"You must be joking."

Do you know when the Civil War (erroneously so-called) ended or not?

[conservativemusician]

That's a horror that nobody should have to endure. Every family that has sent it's own to war or has been in the path of battle has suffered. Needlessly, often enough.


"In addition, you know, we feel our culture under attack from the centralization of the federal government as well as from left-wing influences."

It ain't just your culture that is under attack. It's the American culture. The ever-growing blob in Washington is a problem for all of us. The left is relentless, as we must be.

BTW. The Southerners I know are the proudest people I have ever met.

[conservativemusician]

Lee surrendered at Appomattox Courthouse April 9, 1865.

Do you have another answer?

[NovemberCharlie]

A real irony is that Davis was Secretary of War seven years before the War and completely updated the Union Army with the latest guns and equipment.

Not quite. Acually the South had newer and longer-ranged guns at the start of the war than did the North, due to the stupidity of a Union supply officer.

[Capriole]

Not belittle the suffering of anyone who was gang raped, but could you please explain to me how this act has implications [sic] that last until the present day?

There are a couple of ways in which the Federal presence on our land has had lasting import for us.

1. I often have cause to reflect on what our lives would have been like if we hadn't experienced the economic devastation of having this large and fine house destroyed and its barns, dependencies, and outbuildings burned as well so that the family never recovered financially. We lost that property, and right now the land is a cow pasture, soon to be turned into a townhouse development south of Winchester, VA.

2. The child who was born nine months after this episode always had his paternity questioned. You see, his father was on site at the time of the episode--the Yankees had come looking for him, as a colonel of cavalry. In an age before DNA proofs of paternity, there would always be some doubt about whether the boy was really his father's son. There were resulting family disputes and eventual lawsuits, with financial and inheritance consequences.

3. The lady who experienced this attack was seriously injured and never recovered. She was never able to bear another child and died two years later. I don't know if her internal injuries gradually led to her death or not but they certainly prevented other children from being born.

4. "Implications" is correct in this application.

[Positive]

If I'm smart, educate myself and then work my ass off to earn $1,000,000, then the government takes $500,000 of it from me under penalty of imprisonment...does that make me half-slave?

If there are half-slaves, is there not slavery?