DeLay: "Zero chance" for (Assault Weapons Ban) renewal passing in House

AWBanSunset.com ^ | 5/9/03 | Stuart Roy

[E. Pluribus Unum]

House Majority leader Tom DeLay, through a spokesman, says the recently introduced AW Ban renewal bills (the Senate version, or the significantly more restrictive House version) will not pass in the House of Representatives.

[Godebert]

Well said.

[Fraulein]

To bad Bush didn't do his and say he "wouldn't" sign any unconstitutional laws

But it's all part of a brilliant strategy! /sarcasm

[elbucko]

As in a chess game, you need to look NOT just at the next move, but several moves ahead, at the consequences of your actions.

That's asking for some of these "gentlemen" to engage the "tactical" portion of their minds. Something I doubt some of them have.

[Tahoe3002]

"now have a dozen guys there instead of one...and arm them with machine guns."
The AW ban DOES not have any issue with machine guns. MG's were highly restricted, like in 1933, due to guys like AL Capone and Machine Gun Kelly. If you think the war on drugs is a success, then you probably also believe automatic
weapons are not smuggled across the US borders. The assault ban is based on cosmetic appearances of certain weapons. BTW, would you like it if the government told you that you could not drive anything except a four cylinder 'enviro- friendly' car, or could not own a four bedroom home?

[Sender]

I know that an AR and others can be illegally converted with some skill and knowledge, I just try to avoid giving any lurking gun-illiterate readers any ammunition by creating the possibility that any ignorant gang member with a pocketknife can make any semi-auto into a machine gun. I know that sounds ridiculous, but that's exactly what idiots like Kristin Rand and Josh Sugarmann think (or what they want soccer moms to think).

If we allow the antis to perpetuate this and other myths, we open the door to banning them all through ignorance.

I've had several ignorant gun-haters ask me about my semi-auto Kalashnikov rifle "why anyone would own a machine gun?". I explain to them that it's not a machine gun at all.

Then I get hostile comments like "why do you need such a thing to go deer hunting, there won't be anything left of the poor animal". *sigh* I patiently tell them that it doesn't "spray bullets" and I would never use it for deer hunting.

"Then what is it good for...killing as many people as possible?" *groan* No, I tell them, I have never done anything with it but target shooting, but it is designed this way to be reliable and effective for defending one's life. "Against who? A burglar? Are you expecting an army? How many bullets does that thing hold? You're so paranoid."

*arrgh* No, I'm not expecting an army and I'm not especially paranoid, but now that you've mentioned it, this is exactly the sort of weapon that the Second Amendment had in mind for preventing tyranny against a standing army.

"Oh, so you're going to spray that thing against Army tanks and Air Force jets with nuclear bombs? You can't possibly think you gun nuts can beat the Army, do you?" *grrrr* "How do you know that thing hasn't killed some child?"

*silently screaming* Never mind. Please promise me you won't vote or reproduce.

[elbucko]

If you want to vote for a gun-grabber....I don't think Bush is a "Gun Grabber" like YOU DO.

that's your business...That's right it is.

Don't tell me how to cast my vote.....Don't need to, you made up your mind the day you were born.

I do, however, have the right to express my opinion that you are wrong.

[Amerigomag]

This is not meant personally against you

No offense taken....but

I'm a conservative living in California and I see two issues crucial to the survival of my nation and my state. A well armed citizen populus and control of our borders.

From my perspective Bush has been pandering to the center on the former and to foreign nationals on the latter. Neither posture strikes me as conservative or showing character.

Within the scope of my personal experience I only have Regan to use as a political comparitor for a principaled conservative and I don't recall the pandering from that president. Regan was a politician but he never let his ambitions alienate his base. The same can't be said for George Bush.

[tpaine]

We shouldn't reinforce that myth; in reality it ain't that easy, and it certainly ain't legal.
64 -sender-


It ain't really that hard.

- And, - the ~real~ myth is that its 'illegal'. It is against an unconstitutuional 'law', granted..

"Acts repugnant to the constitution are not law", said Justice Marshal in Marbury v Madison, 1803.. - Still a valid fact, one that we should base our stand on.

[FairOpinion]

These what I call "purist" conservatives all have indeed pure idealistic motives and good intentions, but we know that a road paved with good intentions go straight to h*ll.

To be successful, as in turning the political landscape towards conservatives, we need to be pragmatic, and get something through our heads: A moderately conservative person is FAR preferable to ending up with a leftist liberals, because we insist on a superconservative candidate, who is unelectable by the general electorate.

So we had a "conservative success" in nominating Bill Simon in California, which of course resulted in the reelection of Gray Davis, when if moderate Republican Riordan had gotten the R. nomination, he would have trounced Davis, because he could get the moderate Democrat support.

[go star go]

Just curious here. Why would you spend time worrying about gays? Are you afraid they're going to attach you or something?

[Amerigomag]

No man or woman is truly free who does not own and operate effectively a rocket propelled grenade launcher or shoulder mounted, laser guided anti-aircraft missile.

Do you have a connection to get some of these? Reply by secret decoder ring if you do.

[Godebert]

I do, however, have the right to express my opinion that you are wrong.

The same opinion that all the gun-grabbers have. These 2nd Amendment threads are very useful in exposing the faux-conservatives among us.

[Patriotic Bostonian]

I cannot believe people do not realize that if you give these socialist/communist an inch they will take a mile. They are slow and methodical!

[FairOpinion]

"I'm a conservative living in California and I see two issues crucial to the survival of my nation and my state. A well armed citizen populus and control of our borders."

Hi! I am in CA too: LA.
I agree with the above.

But you are expecting Bush to perform miracles and then you are disappointed, when he doesn't. He can't change decades of problems in one minute. He has tightened up the borders considerably, and the Bush administration was the first in a very long time, who declared that the correct interpretation of the 2nd Amendment is indeed that individuals have a right to bear arms. That was a landmark decision.

Bush Backs Individual’s Right to Guns
Administration Reverses 2nd Amendment Interpretation
The Associated Press


W A S H I N G T O N, May 7 — The Bush administration has told the Supreme Court for the first time that it believes the Constitution protects an individual's right to possess guns, reversing the government's longstanding interpretation of the Second Amendment.

http://216.239.33.104/search?q=cache:13ea5Go85RAC:abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/guns_020507.html+2nd+Amendment+Bush+Administration+AShcroft&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

With Bush, I think what people have to keep in mind, is that he doesn't make big pronouncement, he tends to not say much, but DO things in the background, achieving a great deal, instead.

He had the courage to reverse the long standing interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, which pro-2nd amendment people should remember.

Just think of the Iraqi war -- the reason it was so "easy" was because there was a great deal of work went on behind the scenes.

Bush is focusing on the results, many steps ahead, and you may not see the intermediate steps.

Just as with the assault ban -- Bush had it worked out with Congress, and some people got all upset at Bush, without knowing the full story.

If you take a step back, you will see that Bush is accomplishing a lot of things, which aren't being trumpeted, but are definitely based on conservative principles.

[Howlin]

ROFLMAO!

[tpaine]

Your post was a great example of why you, and 'we' all lose by conceding that it is 'reasonable' to ban machine guns, then argue against 'regulating' semi-autos that function the same if the trigger is pulled fast enough..

The gungrabbers play 'gottcha' on logic, and win.


They have won in CA to all intents/purposes..
It is doubtful that the USSC will even hear the 9th Circuits 'collective right' BS, and even Bush/Ashcroft agree that prohibitive 'regulations', as above, are constitutional.

- We are losing our RKBA's in a battle of a thousand cuts..

[elbucko]

Reagan was a politician but he never let his ambitions alienate his base. The same can't be said for George Bush.

President Reagan also signed the first Brady Bill. Is that, or is it not, a form of "pandering".

Look, I live in CA too and see the same things you do and agree with your assessment of the threat. The real problem is, the Left doesn't politic on the "High Road" like conservatives, but take the "Low Road" just to win. What the Left wins, esp. in CA, is not as important as winning. For many of them it is their only job.

Conservatives take pride in military tactics, yet fear "treachery" when political tactics are necessary to win office or defeat a gun control bill.

[PuNcH]

I suppose you're one of those those that threw the country to Clinton by voting for Ross Perot.

We could also say that Bush threw the country to Clinton. Bush even started this whole assault ban crapola. Or we could even say that YOU threw the country to Clinton for not voting for Ross Perot.

[lawdog]

The AW ban is Unconstitutional. The AW ban is a farce as a "crime fighter". The AW ban does not stop terrorists from doing squat.The 9-11 terrorists killed more people with jets on one day than years of criminals using the poorly/improperly defined "AW's'. By the way, only machine guns are truly AW's. The Aw's "banned" are semi-auto "military appearing copy cats " rarely used in any criminal shootings ( that's before or since the ban).Klintoon, statists and other like minded indivduals support the ban.

[Drew68]

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