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Sayin' Bye Bye
March 16th, 2003 | Sneakypete

Posted on 03/16/2003 4:34:13 PM PST by Chapita

Well folks,the time has come for me to take a permanent vacation from FR. I am asking JR to close out my account,but try to make sure that nobody else can ever use my screen name. I'm not leaving in a huff at JR or the web site like most people do,even though there is plenty here to be "huffed" about. I'm leaving because Ali Bubba Bush will soon be starting his war in Iraq,and I don't want to be posting to FR when the body bags start coming back home,or when Hussein lights off all the oil fields in Iraq and tries to attack Israel.

While it is true there is no shortage of fools and idiots in the Bush-Bot League,there are also sincere people there who mean well,but just haven't taken the time to think things through. They just automatically assume that any president with a "R" behind his name is a conservative,and has the best interests of the country in mind at all times. It has never occurred to them that an alleged Republican president would "play" politics or "play" the polls in a manner that would put our service members at unnecessary risk.

There are also good people on FR who support Ali Bubba and his accidental war because they have loved ones in the military,and they see supporting the president as being the same thing as supporting the troops. This flat ain't so (they didn't support Bubba-1 or LBJ),but they mean well,and they are grasping at any straw that comes their way. I understand their fears and symphatize with them. I may well have the same reaction if I had a child in the army or USMC that was deployed to the Middle East or in Korea.

I have zero desire to cause any harm or worry to either of these groups. On the other hand,there are a group of people here that are too bleeping stupid to live,and I honestly have to wonder how they managed to live to become adults without walking out in front of a bus. As an example,one of these rocket scientists called me a "nazi" today because I am opposed to this war. Seriously. He actually said that "only a Nazi or an Islamism would be opposed to this war." After all,isn't it a well-known fact that the Nazi's didn't believe in war and invading sovereign countries? Another one SERIOUSLY wrote that we should bomb and invade all the European countries that don't support us in this war! What is even scarier is that I am the only one I saw that called these people on this nonsense. I could sorta deal with these cretins when they were a minority voice here,but it's got to the point where they are almost mainstream FR posters. In fact,I just got suspended again today for calling the idiot who called me a Nazi stupid,so it seems like the moderators don't see anything wrong with calling somebody against the war a "Nazi",but don't dare call the drooler who uttered this insanity "stupid"! The ironic part about this is that I had already posted to several posters that my response to them would probably be my last one because I was leaving FR. This right here shows you how much attention the moderators really pay to the back and forth between two posters. Basically,it's gotten to the point here where it's "Bush-Bot=good,anti-war=bad!"

And the above only touches on the surface. We have people here applauding every single step Ali Bubba-2 Bush has taken down the road to the coming police state,and they would be screaming "revolution!" if it had been Bubba-1 or Gore doing the very same things. Why it has gotten unpopular on FR to point out hyprocisy is a question better answered by JR and the moderators than me,but FR is in danger of becoming the Dim-Lite flipside of DU.

The reason I am asking to have my account killed is because the "rah,rah,rah,we gonna kill us some A-Rabs and godless Muslims!" pack of fools seem to have taken over,and it's pointless to debate an empty mind. There is also the fact that any such debate is bound to include words and phrases that would be harmful to the good people here with loved ones at risk,and I won't do that. It's just not worth it.

I am asking Chapita to post this for me because the moderator suspended me before I could "resign". I hope those of you on the thread I started today about Flesh Eating Bacteria tell the others there why I don't respond to their posts,and I hope that those of you who have loved ones involved in this war get to welcome them home safe and sound. The purpose of this post/thread is to say "good-bye" to the good people here,and to let people know why I won't be answering any posts they make to me. I have always tried to answer each post to me,friendly or hostile,and I would hate for anyone to think I was ignoring them.

Folks,while it has been frustrating as hell at times,it has also been fun,and I have "met" some very nice people here. It's time for me to move on. I wish (most) of you well.

Sneakypete

FINI


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To: Chapita
Great news.
201 posted on 03/16/2003 7:25:57 PM PST by dalebert
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To: Chapita
Were I to counsel Sneaky, I can only refer to Churchill, who faced a much tougher problem... "Never, Never, Never give up."

I have lurked since about 1997 (easy to lose track) and read Sneaky's posts for the last year or so. The 'Bushbot' language misses the point. Many of us who support President Bush are genuine Constitutionalists and intellectually well trained. Do we agree with W all the time? Hardly. Do we understand the difficulties W faces? Not all, but apparently we understand most better than Sneaky. We are not knee-jerk Republicans. We are not robots. Sneaky always seemed, well, irascible.

IMHO, it is generous of the moderators to allow you to post his Parthian shot. In conclusion, I would ask Sneaky to return. Not for the sake of Freeperdom. But for his own. We are all fallible and can learn when we humbly consider other viewpoints with an open mind. Jim Robinson's forum is an ideal place for this. To flee and give up the fight is to acknowledge defeat. Quitters never win and winners never quit.
202 posted on 03/16/2003 7:26:33 PM PST by esopman (Blessings on Freepers Everywhere)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Ahhh. Careful. You might make a good politician! "I don't know what his position is" is perfectly acceptable, if not a bit disingenuous. However, no one accused you of tailoring your message to fit JR's requirements (if that was actually what you thought). The allegation was that your experience, in which you defended FR, is not at all representative of those of many dissenters.

Having said that, however, they have been reasonable with me personally--perhaps too much.

203 posted on 03/16/2003 7:29:11 PM PST by jammer
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To: Chapita
Here's the upside. Youa re getting the most attention you ever got at FR now.

The downside is noone will remember you after tonight.


204 posted on 03/16/2003 7:29:51 PM PST by finnman69 (!)
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To: Physicist
It's nice to see buchannonites self destruct.
205 posted on 03/16/2003 7:29:55 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Leave the monkeys alone.)
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To: clockwork; joanie-f; snopercod
Sneakypete is a man who knows things that few people at this forum can appreciate. In particular, he knows that the unexpected lies out there, and he knows what it tastes like.

When making plans, a wise leader does not merely fain solicitous-ness; instead, he must find the courage to consider the situations which may present.

Since September 11, 2001, I have tried to find people here who are understanding of the incredibly poor airlift capacity that is [not] available for what the Bush Administration has been planning. I have repeatedly urged members of this forum to think about it, in the hopes that they would contact the Congress and the White House and then urge the increase in logistics support that we need, we will need, and we might need.

Maybe eight people are aware. Four, in only the last few days, when more stories have been posted here, relating the very late arrival of this and that gear for our troops.

We are not prepared to charge into a valley that is surrounded by our enemies. We do not have enough troops in the field. We do not have the airpower. We do not have enough medical help arranged. Our "arsenal of democracy" sits rusting away, or given away in the form of industrial capacity in the hands of our poltiical enemies.

The world is dividing around Iraq, much as it did when Hitler marched on Prague. The lines may here and there seem to be religious, but really, it is a matter of noticing the overall division, liberty v. fascist socialism. Naturally, the fascist socialists say that we who support liberty, are the fascists. It will take long time, sorting this out, confronting the animal reluctance to think among those who succumb to socialism; while there is little hope for The Party leaders.

Because I know that we cannot expect to follow our timetable of events, I happen to agree with Sneakypete that our invasion of Iraq is not wise at this time. As I said, he knows the taste of the unexpected.

206 posted on 03/16/2003 7:31:18 PM PST by First_Salute
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To: jackbill
Why can't people just leave without wanting to pee on the carpet?

Notice me, notice me, notice me. Beg me to stay since I'm so smart and know everything, beg me, beg me. Now you know...

I've agreed with SP on a few items, disagreed with him on many items, but I never thought he wouldn't have the spine to stand up and defend his position, no matter how ridiculous.

207 posted on 03/16/2003 7:31:36 PM PST by zip (I love being right)
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To: sneakypete
Dude, you've been banned more than that eschoir fellow - don't be a pussy and just take your cooler time. Suck up? Yeah - suck up. Non-bomb happy folks like myself need all the tactical air support one can get in these crazy times.

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208 posted on 03/16/2003 7:31:43 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: Chapita
Hate to see a libertarian go. NOT!
209 posted on 03/16/2003 7:33:28 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Okie by proxy, raised by Yankees, temporarily Californian)
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To: Sofa King
To write a whole article on why (as if anyone cares)wreaks of vanity and ego.

Actually, it "reeks" of vanity and ego.
210 posted on 03/16/2003 7:33:36 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Jhoffa_
OWK did indeed start the "opus". I think I still have the "link" saved, in my webtv "favorites". I kept it for the longest time out of sentiment, I guess. It doesn't work anymore because we have gone through so many server changes, etc. here at FR, though. That was an entertaining thread.
211 posted on 03/16/2003 7:33:45 PM PST by Floratina
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To: Jhoffa_
I'm not sure who coined the term "opus" for the final farewells that so grip FR periodically. But Don Morgan certainly hammered the concept; I believe he posted at least two dozen "This is the last you'll hear from ME" threads. Finally, one of them was right.

And no, Don Morgan is not Navigator.

212 posted on 03/16/2003 7:33:49 PM PST by IronJack
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To: Kevin Curry
Yes, and I don't use neologisms in order to be pretentious.
213 posted on 03/16/2003 7:34:50 PM PST by jammer
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To: Amelia; MadIvan
I just read the entire thread in question. Sneakypete took quite a beating, to say the least, from Mad Ivan, and I don't see why only SP was suspended, as the insults were hurled back and forth.

I didn't see the entire comment in #160, however, but only the pieces of it quoted back to him.

214 posted on 03/16/2003 7:35:14 PM PST by Dec31,1999
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To: Chapita; sneakypete
Some or most of the keywords for this thread tend to prove your point Sneakypete.
215 posted on 03/16/2003 7:37:00 PM PST by chnsmok
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To: Chapita

Comment #160 Removed by Moderator


216 posted on 03/16/2003 7:37:56 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: First_Salute
Oh, BS.

Sneakypete's opinion of war--this war or any war--is not gold-plated and beyond tarnish or challenge. He doesn't get a free ride. If he can sustantiate his criticisms, fine. But all he has been doing is taking a contrarian's/libertarian's "hate the gubmint" kneejerk approach to this thing. That doesn't take any brains at all.

He's starting to sound like that fruitcake Harry Browne, or even Noam Chomsky. Even Bill Clinton would be high-fiving him.

217 posted on 03/16/2003 7:39:11 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: jammer
True. You are naturally pretentious.
218 posted on 03/16/2003 7:40:16 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Constitution Day
LOL..indeed
219 posted on 03/16/2003 7:40:38 PM PST by My Favorite Headache (Which one will lose? Depends on what I choose or maybe which voice...I ignore.)
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To: Chapita
Goodbye Pete. I am going to miss your thoughtful input. You were one of the top 10 posters on this site. I second everything you said. There are some good people on this site but the mindless Bushbots outnumber them 10 to 1. Hooah!
220 posted on 03/16/2003 7:41:47 PM PST by fish70
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