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Professor Dumped Over Evolution Beliefs
http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/3/112003a.asp ^ | March 11, 2003 | Jim Brown and Ed Vitagliano

Posted on 03/11/2003 3:01:59 PM PST by Remedy

A university professor said she was asked to resign for introducing elite students to flaws in Darwinian thought, and she now says academic freedom at her school is just a charade.

During a recent honors forum at Mississippi University for Women (MUW), Dr. Nancy Bryson gave a presentation titled "Critical Thinking on Evolution" -- which covered alternate views to evolution such as intelligent design. Bryson said that following the presentation, a senior professor of biology told her she was unqualified and not a professional biologist, and said her presentation was "religion masquerading as science."

The next day, Vice President of Academic Affairs, Dr. Vagn Hansen asked Bryson to resign from her position as head of the school's Division of Science and Mathematics.

"The academy is all about free thought and academic freedom. He hadn't even heard my talk," Bryson told American Family Radio News. "[W]ithout knowing anything about my talk, he makes that decision. I think it's just really an outrage."

Bryson believes she was punished for challenging evolutionary thought and said she hopes her dismissal will smooth the way for more campus debate on the theory of evolution. University counsel Perry Sansing said MUW will not comment on why Bryson was asked to resign because it is a personnel matter.

"The best reaction," Bryson says, "and the most encouraging reaction I have received has been from the students." She added that the students who have heard the talk, "They have been so enthusiastically supportive of me."

Bryson has contacted the American Family Association Center for Law and Policy and is considering taking legal action against the school.


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To: Sloth
Your comment to RWP: "Aaaahh. Noted for future reference, when consensus and democracy replaces scientific method."

Remedy's original commentary (accompanying his post of the article respecting the maligned professor): "Loosening Darwin's Grip - A poll released in May 2002 by Zogby International found that nearly eight out of every 10 Ohioans supported the teaching of intelligent design in classrooms where Darwinian evolution also is taught. A survey by The Plain Dealer newspaper in Cleveland offered similar findings: 74 percent of Ohioans said evidence for and against evolution should be taught in science classrooms, while 59 percent said intelligent design should be included in origins study."

Pot, meet kettle.
201 posted on 03/12/2003 12:20:36 PM PST by atlaw
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To: Right Wing Professor
In the self-same post you make a bald unsubstantiated assertion - and then have the gall to ask me to prove my own assertion (which I at least admitted up front is something I remember but cannot cite).

LOL.


202 posted on 03/12/2003 12:24:07 PM PST by Notwithstanding (What have you done for LIFE lately?)
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To: Junior
cryptic and ultimately off-topic and irrelevant. If the second law behaved accordint to AC's rules, life itself would be impossible to design, create or evolve.
203 posted on 03/12/2003 12:24:56 PM PST by js1138
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To: amarok
The second law is always brought up by Creationists. The second law has no more bearing on evolutionary theory than it does on hydrology (and no less).

Creationists continually try to make the thermodynamics a issue. This must be on one of the Creationist Talking Points memos.
204 posted on 03/12/2003 12:25:42 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: atlaw
None of it should be taught... Evolution, so-called Creation "science", ID, etc. -- all smoke and mirrors.

Origins are properly a philosophical subject, not a hard science.
205 posted on 03/12/2003 12:27:01 PM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, Zoolander)
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To: amarok
My point is that the 2nd Law is an issue for evolutionists rather than creationists.

Nothing is an issue for creationists except that, in making worlds, God is not allowed to use a lot of time, common descent of organisms, mutation, or natural selection.

206 posted on 03/12/2003 12:32:47 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Darwin_is_passe

207 posted on 03/12/2003 12:50:17 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: Junior
Ahhh. A cryptic response with no supporting detail.

The word "wrong" is cryptic? Why should I be required to provide support? "We would fly off the earth", or "tunicate and vertebrate genome relationships point to a common ancestor 550 million years ago" (paraphrased) do not have support. But here is the second law.-- dS = dq(rev)/T

And this

"SIR: I am referring to the article entitled 'Physical Chemistry,' C&EN, June 2, page 20.  Toward the end of the article is stated: 'Another area where physical chemistry likely has important biological applications is the study of the properties of steady states far from equilibrium.  These are stable systems that do not follow the second law of thermodynamics; instead they require a continual supply of energy from outside the system to maintain themselves.'
Please be advised that there are no known violations of the second law of thermodynamics.  Ordinarily the second law is stated for isolated systems, but the second law applies equally well to open systems.
I recognize that it is very difficult to write an article on as broad a subject as physical chemistry in two pages, and ordinarily I would not bother to point out minor errors.  However, there is somehow associated with the field of far-from-equilibrium phenomena the notion that the second law of thermodynamics fails for such systems.  It is important to make sure that this error does not perpetuate itself.

John Ross
Professor of Chemistry, Harvard University"
[John Ross, "Letters to the Editor", Chemical and Engineering News, July 7, 1980, p. 40]
208 posted on 03/12/2003 12:56:15 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: Notwithstanding
In the self-same post you make a bald unsubstantiated assertion

Substantiated elsewhere in the thread. Laziness on your part does not equate to an unsubstantiated assertion on mine.

Repeating myself here: go to google. Type in the three words evolution paradigm biology. Pick the first few references. Particularly concentrate on the ones involving biology undergraduate courses. Get back to me.

209 posted on 03/12/2003 12:57:51 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: jlogajan
I suppose if some professor advocates the moon is green cheese theory that they should not be fired either?

The fact that the moon is not made of green cheese has been 'observed'. Macro Evolution has not, hence 'theory'.

210 posted on 03/12/2003 1:00:26 PM PST by asformeandformyhouse
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To: AndrewC
"tunicate and vertebrate genome relationships point to a common ancestor 550 million years ago" (paraphrased) do not have support

Now, Andrew, you really should know better. All you had to do was ask .

211 posted on 03/12/2003 1:03:07 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Old Professer
Creation/God...REFORMATION(Judeo-Christianity)---secular-govt.-humanism/SCIENCE---CIVILIZATION!

Originally the word liberal meant social conservatives(no govt religion--none) who advocated growth and progress---mostly technological(knowledge being absolute/unchanging)based on law--reality... UNDER GOD---the nature of GOD/man/govt. does not change. These were the Classical liberals...founding fathers-PRINCIPLES---stable/SANE scientific reality/society---industrial progress...moral/social character-values(private/personal) GROWTH(limited NON-intrusive PC Govt/religion---schools)!

Evolution...Atheism-dehumanism---TYRANNY(pc/liberal/govt-religion/rhetoric)...

Then came the SPLIT SCHIZOPHRENIA/ZOMBIE/BRAVE-NWO1984 LIBERAL NEO-Soviet Darwin/ACLU America---the post-modern age of switch-flip-spin-DEFORMITY-cancer...Atheist secular materialists Darwinst BLATHER // BRAINWASHING // INDOCTRINATION --- proselytization !

Main Entry: pros·e·ly·tize
Pronunciation: 'prä-s(&-)l&-"tIz
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -tized; -tiz·ing
Date: 1679
intransitive senses
1 : to induce someone to convert to one's faith
2 : to recruit someone to join one's party, institution, or cause
transitive senses : to recruit or convert especially to a new faith, institution, or cause
- pros·e·ly·ti·za·tion /"prä-s(&-)l&-t&-'zA-sh&n, "prä-s&-"lI-t&-/ noun
- pros·e·ly·tiz·er /'prä-s(&-)l&-"tI-z&r/ noun

212 posted on 03/12/2003 1:03:36 PM PST by f.Christian (( + God =Truth + love courage // LIBERTY logic + SANITY + Awakening + ))
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To: Boiler Plate
A lack of credible scientific proof on your part does not mean a closed mind on my part. What your remark probably really means is that you don't really know what you believe in. However I will be very open to your explanation and proof of the transition from invertebrates to vertebrates.

Proof? What kind of proof do you want? After all, you do realize, you are not getting proof in science. You will get evidence that leads to a conclusion. I just want to make sure, I hate to write pages and pages of stuff only to have someone move to goalposts to left field.

213 posted on 03/12/2003 1:10:56 PM PST by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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To: Right Wing Professor
Well thank you very much, but I do not have an account to see the rest of the article you posted. Does the genome comparision provide a mechanism for determining the time of divergence from the hypothetical common ancestor or is it an assumption?
214 posted on 03/12/2003 1:14:13 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: Dataman
Be worthy of your screen name. The evidence isn't a problem provided it's not the frequent manufactured evidence often called hoaxes. It's the interpretation of the evidence that is the issue.

It's simple. Creationism is a dying theory. Compared to the 1830's and before, there ratio of creationists to non-creationists has dropped rapidly and has stayed consistently low. On the theoretical front, there hasn't been a theory that has been shown to have a shred of evidence in its favor since before Louis Agassiz. The fields of Geophysics and Geology, Biology and Paleontology, and Astronomy and Cosmolgy have grown by leaps and bounds in that very same period of time. Even the theory of Intelligent Design, now a pet theory for a number of Old Earth Creationists, still hasn't been able to form a scientific theory that which experiments can be based on. As I said, it is wishful thinking if you think anything else. Instead, Creationists are forced to plead their cases to corrupt politicians to try to force to have their work taught in school.

215 posted on 03/12/2003 1:20:54 PM PST by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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To: The Grim Freeper
I don't know what RWP thinks about him but he had a great influence on my choice in education, along with Pasteur.(their life stories)
216 posted on 03/12/2003 1:22:37 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: ThinkPlease
To: f.Christian

Dakmar...

I took a few minutes to decipher that post, and I must say I agree with a lot of what you said.

fC...

These were the Classical liberals...founding fathers-PRINCIPLES---stable/SANE scientific reality/society---industrial progress...moral/social character-values(private/personal) GROWTH(limited NON-intrusive PC Govt/religion---schools)!

Dakmar...

Where you and I diverge is on the Evolution/Communism thing. You seem to view Darwin and evolution as the beginning of the end for enlighted, moral civilization, while I think Marx, class struggle, and the "dictatorship of the proletariat" are the true dangers.

God bless you, I think we both have a common enemy in the BRAVE-NWO.

452 posted on 9/7/02 8:54 PM Pacific by Dakmar

Thinkplease ... coven master // evo overlords !

217 posted on 03/12/2003 1:23:31 PM PST by f.Christian (( + God =Truth + love courage // LIBERTY logic + SANITY + Awakening + ))
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To: Piltdown_Woman
"That is painfully obvious, isn't it? I guess Christianity is just another "Religion of Peace".

Ah, so calling someone a 'twit' must be your way of promoting peace.

Well, let me extend the hand of peace to you. You are a twit.

Have a nice day.

218 posted on 03/12/2003 1:24:42 PM PST by MEGoody
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To: ThinkPlease
forced to plead their cases to corrupt politicians to try to force to have their work taught in school.

That is a twisting of the facts. Those who dare teach anything contrary to Darwinism are forced out. That is what this thread is about.

219 posted on 03/12/2003 1:25:00 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: Right Wing Professor
You're kidding right? You REALLY don't know who George Washington Carver is? Wow.
220 posted on 03/12/2003 1:26:09 PM PST by MEGoody
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