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Eateries resist telling smokers to snuff it - owners say they aren't obliged to enforce ban
The Dallas Morning News ^ | March 2, 2003 | By DAVE LEVINTHAL / The Dallas Morning News

Posted on 03/02/2003 5:11:15 AM PST by MeekOneGOP


Eateries resist telling smokers to snuff it

Owners say they aren't obliged to enforce ban; Poss endorsed

03/02/2003

By DAVE LEVINTHAL / The Dallas Morning News

If Dallas Mayor Laura Miller expects restaurateurs to become her anti-smoking patrol, she's mistaken, industry leaders said Saturday on the first day of Dallas' restaurant and bar smoking ban.

The Greater Dallas Restaurant Association is instructing owners to abide by the new city ordinance, such as by posting "no smoking" signs. But it is telling them not to feel compelled to enforce it.

"We are not going to get into a confrontational situation if someone is smoking," said Mark Maguire, president-elect of the Greater Dallas Restaurant Association and owner of Maguire's Regional Cuisine and the M Grill & Tap in Dallas. "We're going to choose not to confront it."

At a smoke-free happy hour at Maggiano's Little Italy restaurant, Mayor Laura Miller praised the ban as a victory against illness.

"It's a public health issue, first and foremost," she said. "You have to stay strong and believe in that."

Jeramy Tuggle, a waiter at Dick's Last Resort in the West End, had to go outside for his smoke break Saturday.

RICHARD MICHAEL PRUITT / DMN
Jeramy Tuggle, a waiter at Dick's Last Resort in the West End, had to go outside for his smoke break Saturday.

But count restaurant association leaders among the nonbelievers.

Ms. Miller angered them enough that the association on Saturday made its first mayoral endorsement ever - recommending City Council member Mary Poss, who is challenging Ms. Miller in the May 3 election.

Ms. Poss vowed Saturday that, if elected, she would attempt to overturn the ban.

"Some of these businesses will not be in business," she said. "Others will move to the suburbs."

Ms. Miller played down the endorsement.

"It doesn't surprise me. The restaurants are nervous because this is a big change," she said. "They'll come around quickly."

The mayor cited studies indicating that smoking bans increase restaurant patronage rather than drive it to other cities, as some restaurateurs fear.

At the Cadillac Bar in Dallas' West End, general manager Mark O'Brien said he opposed the ban, although he reported normal business Sunday and no problems among nicotine-starved patrons.

In keeping with the restaurant association's guidance, he said he would not harass customers who decide to light up at the risk of being fined as much as $200.

Among the smokers who were grumbling but not puffing at the Cadillac was Jared Davidson.

He said he would consider taking his cigarettes - and money - to restaurants in Addison, Arlington or Fort Worth.

But he remained at the Cadillac on Saturday.

Mr. Davidson sat quietly, his food before him and a half-empty glass of suds inches from his left hand. But at his right, the ashtray was gone.

"It's really weird - really weird - going into a bar, having a beer and not being able to have a cigarette," said Mr. Davidson, gesturing as if holding an invisible cigarette between his index and middle fingers. "It's going to take some getting used to."

Mayor Laura Miller says restaurant owners eventually will see the wisdom of the city's smoking ban, which went into effect Saturday.

MONA REEDER / DMN
Mayor Laura Miller says restaurant owners eventually will see the wisdom of the city's smoking ban, which went into effect Saturday.

At Dick's Last Resort, a West End bar and restaurant, Douglas and Karen Lambert sat at the bar drinking beer. Mr. Lambert smokes; his wife doesn't.

He said he would abide by the ban; he doesn't even smoke in his own house. But that doesn't mean he likes the new city restrictions.

"It should be up to the establishments, the owners, to decide where customers can and can't smoke," he said.

Likewise, it's up to customers to take their business to restaurants that appeal to them, Mr. Lambert said. "If you don't want to smell smoke, don't come in."

Jason Buckner of Dallas said he agreed with the ban.

Dining in a Dallas restaurant without the smell of burning tobacco wafting his way, and coming home without smelling of smoke, will be a welcome change, he said.

"I can't really stand smoke," he said. "The ban is a real benefit to people who want to be healthy."

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To: Illbay
Well, we too are insisting that YOU go elsewhere

The trouble with you smoking nazis is that when we do go elsewhere, you show up! There are now jobs that won't hire smokers...why? They're trying to ban smoking OUTSIDE...why? They're trying to ban you from smoking in your own home...why? It isn't about smoking obviously. It's about fascism. You people never quit. You won't be happy until you've made us all stop...then what will you do? Who will you abuse next? You call yourself a Conservative but you obviously aren't. You only believe in freedom if everyone is exactly like you. That is the problem. And that is what is destroying this country.
421 posted on 03/05/2003 1:07:48 AM PST by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: CARepubGal
Start of what???
422 posted on 03/05/2003 3:59:34 AM PST by Wrigley
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To: THEUPMAN
I bet they don't have sushi in there .....probably sell those lisence plates with rebal flags on them to.

No sushi or Rebel Flags, but a lot of coffee :)

423 posted on 03/05/2003 7:09:46 AM PST by AlabamaRebel (Sergeant, US Army 1978-1985)
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To: CARepubGal
And the street next to LDS temple square. No tank tops, smokes, music, preaching (unless the Mormons are doing the preaching).

So their local government is regulating religion huh? Sounds like something they would do.

I avoid Utah if it is possible. The shortest and fastest route from here to the mid west is on I-84 to I-80 in Utah. I drive US-30 through Idaho and Wyoming to stay away from them.

424 posted on 03/05/2003 7:32:01 AM PST by AlabamaRebel (Sergeant, US Army 1978-1985)
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To: CARepubGal
Most lesbians are really ugly women. :-)

The ones I seen are :)

425 posted on 03/05/2003 7:33:36 AM PST by AlabamaRebel (Sergeant, US Army 1978-1985)
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To: CARepubGal
My coffee is a lifeline in the AM.

Mess with my coffee, mess with your life :)

426 posted on 03/05/2003 7:34:58 AM PST by AlabamaRebel (Sergeant, US Army 1978-1985)
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To: CARepubGal
Mormons are told what to drink, what underwear to wear and many other decisions adults can make all by themselves.

Defense Rests :)

427 posted on 03/05/2003 7:37:14 AM PST by AlabamaRebel (Sergeant, US Army 1978-1985)
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To: CARepubGal
Those candle parties (Party Lite) are addictive.

My wife just went to one a couple weeks ago, now she's having one HERE!!!!!

I have to hide in the office with the checkbook :)

428 posted on 03/05/2003 7:39:00 AM PST by AlabamaRebel (Sergeant, US Army 1978-1985)
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To: A CA Guy
I live in the LA/Orange County border and it has not been an issue. Restraunts are doing well under the circumstances and smoking in general is in decline.

In my opinion, it hasn't declined, they are just hiding it more. Because of the Gestapo Police.

A couple years ago a guy I know (another truck driver) got a ticket at a truck stop in Fontana, California for smoking in his truck. The cops said that the truck was a place of business and therefore he was not allowed to smoke in it.

My truck may be my office, but it is also my home away from home and not open to the public.

429 posted on 03/05/2003 7:45:44 AM PST by AlabamaRebel (Sergeant, US Army 1978-1985)
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To: Illbay
You seem to have a serious problem with anger.
430 posted on 03/05/2003 9:52:58 AM PST by fishtank
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To: Mr. Bird
Smoking is a legal activity for adults.

Smoking is an illegal activity for adults (where it is banned).

431 posted on 03/05/2003 10:31:51 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: AlabamaRebel
A couple years ago a guy I know (another truck driver) got a ticket at a truck stop in Fontana, California for smoking in his truck. The cops said that the truck was a place of business and therefore he was not allowed to smoke in.

Is this a true story?

432 posted on 03/05/2003 11:14:51 AM PST by Wrigley
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To: fishtank
You're right. I don't like anger at all.
433 posted on 03/05/2003 11:31:19 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Illbay
Got any smokes?
434 posted on 03/05/2003 11:36:40 AM PST by fishtank
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To: AlabamaRebel
I'm with you and mad about someone getting fined for smoking in their own truck by themselves.
Granted, that is a business legally, but with no other passangers in the car, they have no business giving fines for that. I think here in CA that is mostly Davis trying to generate revenue.

I eat out all the time, no smokers. Only smatterings in outdoor places.
Maybe in some tiney towns there might be places where it never changed, but where it is very populated, there has been a change in habits.
Only due to the high density of people do I feel it has been good.
In much less populated places it might not be an issue.

Articles here in CA say mostly strip clubs have been hurt by all this. (Just reitierating what I read, don't know that for a fact though...by way of OC Register and the Times.)
435 posted on 03/05/2003 1:10:32 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Wrigley
Is this a true story?

Yes it is a true story. Happened at the Cherry Street Truck Stop in Fontana, Ca. 2 summers ago.

436 posted on 03/05/2003 6:19:07 PM PST by AlabamaRebel (Sergeant, US Army 1978-1985)
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To: AlabamaRebel
Good grief.

Isn't that silly law limited to businesses over a certian size? And if it his own truck, it should be much lower than that.
437 posted on 03/05/2003 6:20:59 PM PST by Wrigley
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To: A CA Guy
Granted, that is a business legally, but with no other passangers in the car, they have no business giving fines for that. I think here in CA that is mostly Davis trying to generate revenue.

Really it is NOT a business, it is a piece of equipment used to do a job, and a home. And it is not open to the public, even if it was, there would only be 2 people in there at a time.

My dad lives down there in Orange County and he said people can smoke at work if there is under a certain number of employees. Don't know what the number is though.

There is a locksmith close to his house that smokes in there all the time.

438 posted on 03/05/2003 6:24:43 PM PST by AlabamaRebel (Sergeant, US Army 1978-1985)
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To: Wrigley
And if it his own truck, it should be much lower than that.

All it had to do with was raising money and nothing more.

I keep a sign in my truck that says "Non-Smokers Prohibited"

439 posted on 03/05/2003 6:26:53 PM PST by AlabamaRebel (Sergeant, US Army 1978-1985)
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To: Wrigley
Collecting more and more cooking gear (then there are the candle parties, tupperware....) They want to attract men to these events :-)
440 posted on 03/05/2003 7:16:23 PM PST by CARepubGal
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