Libertarians Look for a State to Call Their Own. (Free State Project)

The Everett Herald (WA) | 2/23/2003 | reprint from the Baltimore Sun

[TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig]

Plans are under way for an invasion of New Hampshire. Or Wyoming. Or maybe Delaware, Montana or Alaska. Sparsely populated and independent in spirit, they're all attractive targets for a certain bloodless coup in the making.

Within the next several years, according to the plan, 20,000 Libertarians would move to a single state and begin infiltrating. They'd get jobs, join civic groups, get elected and take a hatchet to taxes and laws. In this utopia called the Free State Project, schools would be severed from the state, gun-control laws abolished, drugs legalized, health and social services privatized, and most federal aid rejected. Government's only job would be to protect against "force and fraud."

[Tall_Texan]

Was that the "Mark Of The Beast" on the protesters' behinds? Isn't it supposed to be on their foreheads or only near the center of cranial activity?

[nopardons]

As we all know, Libertarians live in their own delusional world, don't get on well with others ) not even their own ! ), and prefer to complain, rather than actually DO anything meaningful. They couldn't run a bake sale; let alone a state !

BTW, there's a thread about a German firm now owning various USA communities' water supply. The people are up in arms and mad as all get out. They should be ; however, this is what Libertarians are all for. They want the USA to divest itself of public parks, roads, etc. What if Saddam and Kim Il Jong and OBL decided to buy some highways here ? How about one of those tyrants buying the Statue of Liberty and then blowing it up ? Hmmmmmmmm ... pause for thoughts.

Libertarians NEVER seem to be able to see any consequences of ANY actions.

[Tamzee]

why the Free State Project will fizzle

Slam dunk, I'd say :-)

[Paul C. Jesup]

You both missed my point. Notice the last part of my previous post.

[A CA Guy]

They can change the name of the state to Anarchy and we can see if in a year it looks like a scene out of Road Warrior, except with lots of drugs.

[ggekko]

PING!

[Cultural Jihad]

Perhaps, but they all embrace moral-liberalism, and the result of both experiments would not differ much.

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"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." -John Adams, Oct. 11, 1798 Address to the military

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[Teacher317]

Perhaps, but they all embrace moral-liberalism,

No, they don't. Your assumptions and broad use use of group identity to make stereotypes leads to your failures in logic.

Science 101: Always check your assumptions.

(Since you use the term "all", we only need one counter-example to prove your wrong. I'm a big supporter of smaller government ideals which leads me to identify and support most libertine ideas, but am not a moral-liberal... ergo, your assumptions are incorrect.)

[Cultural Jihad]

No, you check your assumptions. They are by definition moral-liberals. Being a moral-liberal is not the same as being a libertine. Libertarians are not all involved in abortion, or drug abuse, or perversion, or pornography, or prostitution, or promiscuity, or homosexuality, or adultery, or obscenity. They are allowed to marry and have families, but they are expected to adhere to moral-liberal PC thinking: such evils are okay for other people to undergo. In that they are marching in lock-step with all the centers of cultural power in our nation.

[Teacher317]

But on this thread you paint all those who support the idea (moving in sufficient to affect local politics) as moral-liberals.

[Cultural Jihad]

Well, I support the idea of their moving, and encourage them to adhere to their principles and move completely out of the country.

[Destructor]

The Liberal-tarians will probably run all of the Illuminatis, and satanic Druids out of their "free state," then get high to celebrate.

[BlueLancer]

"This effort is laughable, since a room with 10 Libertarians in it will break into 4 separate factions ..."

Now, c'mon ... you know that isn't true ...

10 Libertarians will break into at least 15 separate factions. Remember the equation: If x=the number of Libertarians debating any issue, the number of separate factions and/or positions on any issue will equal (x times y), where y = any number not less than 1.5, which increases randomly and exponentially as determined by the total number of minutes the debate lasts.

Boy, you can see who knows their political mathematics around here.

[Roscoe]

Free State, Free Lunch. Whatta party!

[Roscoe]

They sure don't mind using nice, clean, public parks paid for with 'extorted' tax dollars.

What's mine is mine and what's your's is mine. The party of "principle."

[Protagoras]

Let them take over Massachusetts. That would be no lose to anyone.

They are trying. They just mounted the most successful ballot inititive in state history. To repeal the state income tax. The Republicans opposed it.

[Protagoras]

A very similar government there to the one we are heading to in this country.

[Protagoras]

Jonestown was the realization of CJ's dream. He wasn't in charge but other than that it was perfect.