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Judge takes swing at war on drugs
Rocky Mountain News ^ | January 29, 2003 | Karen Abbott

Posted on 01/30/2003 6:38:26 AM PST by MrLeRoy

America's war on drugs is costly, ignorant and doesn't work, a federal judge said Tuesday.

Denver U.S. District Judge John Kane Jr., who has been speaking and writing against the nation's drug policy for about five years, won a standing ovation from a packed City Club luncheon at the Brown Palace Hotel.

"I don't favor drugs at all," Kane said.

"What I really am opposed to is the fact that our present policies encourage children to take drugs."

Ending the present policy of interdiction, police action and imprisonment would eliminate the economic incentives for drug dealers to provide drugs to minors, Kane said.

He said the government has no real data and no scientific basis for its approach to illegal drug use.

Since the policy began in the early 1970s, drugs have become easier to obtain and drug use has only increased, he said.

Last summer, Kane said, a friend in his 60s was being treated for cancer. The man joked to his family that he wished he knew where to get marijuana to help him bear the effects of chemotherapy.

The next day, the man's 11-year-old grandson brought him three marijuana cigarettes, Kane said.

"Don't worry, Grandpa - I don't use it myself, but if you need any more just let me know," the judge quoted the boy as saying.

Although officials vow zero tolerance for drugs, even children know that's not reality, Kane said.

"Our national drug policy is inconsistent with the nature of justice, abusive of the nature of authority, and wholly ignorant of the compelling force of forgiveness," he said. "I suggest that federal drug laws be severely cut back."

The federal government should focus on keeping illegal drugs out of the country and regulating the manufacture of drugs transported across state lines.

Each state should decide how to regulate sales and what should be legal or illegal, he said, and the emphasis for government spending should be on treatment.


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Comment #181 Removed by Moderator

To: WORLD SUCKELS USAS BREAST
Then you still haven't answered the question: How's that policy ["Drugs are illegal to EVERYONE"] working out for you?

182 posted on 01/30/2003 10:22:23 AM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: robertpaulsen
I'd say no, Congress should have no such regulatory authority.

Based upon your view of the Commerce Clause, do you think Congress should have such regulatory power?

183 posted on 01/30/2003 10:24:57 AM PST by Ken H
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To: Roscoe
So you hadn't seen it! I thought not. Why don't you give a link to where it comes from so the rest of the inanities can be viewed by everyone.
Don't try to wiggle out of this one by rehashing yesterday's conversation or through deferment. You're busted and you know it. You're exposed as a lazy bum who won't look anything up for himself and uses other people's links to justify their position. I've caught you with the catch all. You're just a fish!
Why didn't you state where that came from?
184 posted on 01/30/2003 10:26:01 AM PST by philman_36
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
My response is valid if you substitute bread for pot. It's not a question of illegality.

But, since you decided to participate, I'll ask you the same question. Does growing your own pot affect interstate commerce? So far, dirtboy is the only one who claims that it doesn't. Care to join him?

185 posted on 01/30/2003 10:26:37 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
My response is valid if you substitute bread for pot. It's not a question of illegality.

Baloney. Are you one of the last remaining New Dealers in the United States? Is Wickard v. Fillburn fun bedtime reading?

But, since you decided to participate, I'll ask you the same question. Does growing your own pot affect interstate commerce? So far, dirtboy is the only one who claims that it doesn't. Care to join him?

Absolutely. Say I cultivate my own marijuana and consume each and every bud produced by my plants myself. How have I engaged in interstate commerce of marijuana in any way?

187 posted on 01/30/2003 10:32:07 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: WORLD SUCKELS USAS BREAST
Knock it off.
189 posted on 01/30/2003 10:33:33 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: WORLD SUCKELS USAS BREAST
FYI, that graphic is f*cking DISGUSTING. Are you thirteen years old or something? Does it really belong here?
190 posted on 01/30/2003 10:33:49 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: dirtboy
or just admit that you pull all your material from a place normally visited only by doctors with flashlights.

Would that be Roscoe's skull?

191 posted on 01/30/2003 10:34:48 AM PST by Orbiting_Rosie's_Head
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To: MrLeRoy
So Ohio can prohibit the shipment of apples across it's borders? Or can charge a fee to allow for such transportation?
192 posted on 01/30/2003 10:36:42 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Does growing your own pot affect interstate commerce?
While you're asking questions of others I've got one for you...
How does growing your own pot for personal consumption affect interstate commerce?
Commerce (the exchange or buying and selling of commodities on a large scale involving transportation from place to place) indicates a desire to exchange goods for money. If growing your own pot for personal consumption (which I notice you left off of your question) makes no money how can it be considered "commerce"?

And I'll answer your question while I'm at it.
As phrased the answer to your question is yes, growing your own pot affects interstate commerce. Your question leaves out "intent". One could grow their own pot for resale, which is exactly what some do.
Growing pot for personal consumption IMO doesn't affect interstate commerce. Your opinion and mine may differ though.

193 posted on 01/30/2003 10:38:21 AM PST by philman_36
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To: FreeTally
So, wouldn't you then conclude that cultivation for personal use interferes with interstate commerce because, as a result, no commerce occurs? Just a thought.

You guys jump to such absurd ends that it is utterly hilarious.

My thoughts exactly. I suppose I'll be expecting a visit from the FBI, since I haven't bought anything recently

194 posted on 01/30/2003 10:39:12 AM PST by Orbiting_Rosie's_Head
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To: robertpaulsen
So Ohio can prohibit the shipment of apples across it's borders? Or can charge a fee to allow for such transportation?

Interesting hypothetical, because that's exactly why the Commerce Clause was written into the Constitution in the first place---to regulate (i.e., make regular) commerce between the several states. The FFs wanted to ensure that states wouldn't set up tarrifs for other states. Before the New Dealers got ahold of the Commerce Clause, most CC cases before the USSC were about this kind of thing.

195 posted on 01/30/2003 10:39:37 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Dane
Uh-oh......it's the Drug War Terrorizer again (Dane)!!!

But anyhow, the judge seems to have an actual care for constitutional principles: give most of our nation's drug laws back to the states....let them decide how severely to punish drug users/growers/suppliers w/in their own borders.

I dare you, Dane, to prove to us where the Constitution gives the federal government the authority to run roughshod over the states re: their own drug/abortion/labor/gun laws. BRING IT ON!
196 posted on 01/30/2003 10:39:48 AM PST by libertyman
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To: robertpaulsen
So, wouldn't you then conclude that cultivation for personal use interferes with interstate commerce because, as a result, no commerce occurs?
Shall I answer this one now?
198 posted on 01/30/2003 10:42:52 AM PST by philman_36
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To: biblewonk
I think this judge is fighting an uphill battle that W just made worse.

I suppose W buys into the idea that fighting the WoD by focusing mainly on the suppliers has some chance of being effective.

199 posted on 01/30/2003 10:43:26 AM PST by newgeezer (A conservative who conserves -- a true capitalist!)
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